ITALIAN to ENGLISH - Genitivo sassone con possessore plurale in cui uno dei possessori è la 1 p.s.
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Fabio Sozza  Identity Verified
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Jun 15, 2019

Hello linguists! Ho un dubbio a cui non trovo risposta.
Nel caso del genitivo sassone con possessore plurale in cui uno dei due possessori è la prima persona singolare e cioè il parlante, come si struttura?
Ad esempio “loro sono amici di Luca e me / miei e di Luca”

_They’re Luca’s and my friends_? _They’re friends of Luca’s and mine_?

Mi sembrano così cacofoniche come soluzioni...

Perché *friends of ours* non passerebbe il nom
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Hello linguists! Ho un dubbio a cui non trovo risposta.
Nel caso del genitivo sassone con possessore plurale in cui uno dei due possessori è la prima persona singolare e cioè il parlante, come si struttura?
Ad esempio “loro sono amici di Luca e me / miei e di Luca”

_They’re Luca’s and my friends_? _They’re friends of Luca’s and mine_?

Mi sembrano così cacofoniche come soluzioni...

Perché *friends of ours* non passerebbe il nome Luca nel messaggio.. I’m lost!
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Tony M
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Hope this helps! Jun 16, 2019

Once you have the 'of', you don't need the possessive any more, so you could say "They're friends of Luca and myself"; otherwise, "They're Luca and my friends" is OK; just as if you were to say "They're Tom and Jerry's friends".

 

Angie Garbarino  Identity Verified
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Jun 16, 2019



[Edited at 2019-06-16 07:05 GMT]


 

Elizabeth Tamblin  Identity Verified
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Joint possessives/compound possessives Jun 16, 2019

There are a few articles online about this, for example:

https://ontariotraining.net/grammar-tip-possession-with-compound-nouns-and-pronouns/


 

Fabio Sozza  Identity Verified
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Thank you Jun 16, 2019

Thank you! You've been of great help.

 

Rachel Fell  Identity Verified
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Also Jun 16, 2019

I would say "friends of Luca and me" or "friends of Luca and mine". I would not use "myself" here: for me it is incorrect; I find that "myself" is often used these days in the UK in ways I find incorrect.

[Edited at 2019-06-16 22:44 GMT]


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friends of Luca and me Jun 17, 2019

Rachel Fell wrote:

I would say "friends of Luca and me"...


This is the most natural, and how I grew up saying it.


 


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