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LegalTransform  Identity Verified
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Oct 9, 2009

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[Note: This job offer was not from Proz.com]

“We need freelance translators for all language pairs. We are willing to pay $0.01-$0.03 for small projects (1-10,000 words) and $0.01-$0.02 for large projects (10,000 and more).You will have to translate a sample text as test translation. You must give the amount of words you can translate in 1 hour for your language pair. A sample text will have to be translated as test. Please note that MACHINE/SOFTWARE TRANSLATIONS will not be paid for.”

Some of the responses (and there are hundreds more and I could easily fill 20 pages…):

I´m an spanish industrial engineering with training in the UK. I offer to translate from english to spanish. Your rates are ok for me

Dear Sir or Madam, I am a translator (English, Finnish, Estonian and Russian) languages. No machine translations, proffessional approach. Also I can do copywriting in Estonian and Russian languages. I can do a sample for you, you will decide if this is acceptable.

I translate documents from English to Brazilian Portuguese. I would charge $0.02/source word. If it is a technical document/text, I can translate around 400-500 words/hour.

Hi, you are looking for a person with my experience. Him responsable for a website translation and update. Him responsable for the full translations of a magazine translation that is published every two months. I like to test new free programs on my pc (my hobby) 5 years study American School English -> Portuguese tanslation

Hi. I'im interessed for translation. I can translate 1000 words per hour. I speak fluently french and english. Please contact me

Professional authorized translator for the language pairs EN-RO, FR-RO, RO-EN, RO-FR, FR-EN, EN-RO. With 7 years of experience I have a complete understanding of the full life cycle of a translation project. I can deliver high quality products within the settled deadline. I can also learn fast how to use new technologies,if needed.

Hello, I am experienced French > Bulgarian, English > Bulgarian translator in various fieds of practice. Working with special softwares.

Translation. I can translate 2000 words per day( 250 per h )

Hello, I work for a global British airline and have experience translating from English to Spanish and viceversa. As I have plenty of spare time I can dedicate myself heartedly to the task. Best regards

I can translate English-to-Bulgarian and Bulgarian-to-English perfectly. I can translate at least 1000 words per hour.

I'm interested in translating english into mandarin and vice versa, rewriting articles and data entry. Hope to hear from you soon.

Hi! I am a translator (Polish->English and English->Polish) with experience in many fields, including law, economy, computer software, literature. I would be more than happy to work on this project. The bid is for 10000 words. Please contact me for details if interested.

Hi there! I can make English - German - Russian translation. I can translate 4500 sings per day. It is a pleasure to participate in your project. Best regards

I am a native Turkish translator. I have studied engineering and usually work on technical projects. I can translate 4000 words per day. My rate is 0.03 Euro/word for English-Turkish-English translations. I also speak Dutch, German, Italian, French.

Hello, I would like to bid for a translator. My translation pair is English-Bulgarian. I can translate about 1500 words a day. I hope to have the chance to work with you on this project. Best regards!

HI! I'm a FREELANCE TRANSLATOR IN ENGLISH - GERMAN and I can translate up to 1000-2000 word a day ( for 0.04/word).

Translation from English/German/Russian to Latvian/Russian, fields of 14 years experience: legal, banking, finance, medical, and IT texts. Average rate: 0,03 EUR per source word, 300 source words per hour, 3000 source words per working day

Hi, I am the director of a call centre located in India.I would give rest of the details once we go for the next level of our communication.I have different teams who are ready to work for translations(International languages are French,Spanish,greek,hebrew and german and our teams work by swapping the languages ie from english to french and french to english)

I am an English>Spanish translator, and a Spanish native speaker. I have had extensive English training for over 15 years and taken several ESOL examinations including FCE (First Certificate Examination) and CPE (Certificate of Proficiency in English) with near perfect results. I would really appreciate your considering me for this project. Thank you in advance.

Hello, I am a native Russian speaker and have a very good level of English and French . I've just stopped teaching of both languages at the university. So my pairs are French- English- Russian. I can translate 600 words per hour.

Hi, i m interested in translating my pair language are ENGLISH > FRENCH , ENGLISH > HAITIAN CREOLE

Hello, I'm interested in the translation work English-Hungarian with 10 years of experience specially in software localisation. I'm native hungarian. Translation speed 300-500 words/hour depending on the text. No machine translation.

Translator. Native Russian speaker, perfect English. Regularly deliver 1500-3000 words a day. Will ask for $0,03 per word. Accurate, responsible, regular. Please see samples of my translations at [link to Proz profile deleted]

Hello! I propose my services in traslation from/into Russian, Ukrainian and English. I have 6-year experience with legal and financial translations. Ready to make a test translation.

I'm the right person for the job.

Hello, Translation: French/Roumanian, English/French and vice versa 0.03EUR/word. 500 words/hour. Best regards

My bid is for the translation job,preferably English to German. I'm a newbie in the net but not in my job and I hope to get the opportunity to show you my abilities.

Vast experience in written translations and interpreting - languages-english/german/bulgarian. Ready to be tested. Professional conference certificate aquired.The delivery days depends on the progect, on average 7-15.

500 words per hour. fluent English, German, Russian, Ukrainian and Polish. I'm ready for a test translation.

I want to bid for translating in the following pairs: from Spanish to English, English to Spanish, Italian to English and Italian to Spanish. The above rate is for a project of 10,000 words. Notice that I can guarantee a fast response rate at that price.

I can translate English to my native tongue Turkish and complete a 10.000 words project about 4-5 day. I have 3 years of experience

I can provide you with quality translations from/to English-Russian-Spanish. Russian is the native language. The price of 0.02 USD a word seems fine. Will do any reasonable test work free of charge.

Dear Sir, my bid is for translator (two language groups English-Bulgarian and also Bulgarian-English). I hope this meets your requirements. My rate is $0.03/word (1-10,000) and $0.02/word for projects with more than 10,000 words.

Dear sir or Madam I am a freelancer and I can work with you in translation from English in Arabic and vice versa.. I don't know much about your data entry project ,so I post my bid giving 250 euro for a complete project and 5 days to complete it.But may be I can complete it in less time. Thank you

Hi. I am bidding for the Translator job. I can translate from French to English and vice versa. I usually translate documents for my French coleagues here in my company and am very quick in translation. Regards..

Hello, Iam Russion native speaker,translation English to Russion,my charger 0,01-0,02US dollars per word,look forward to hearing.

Hi, My native language is Turkish, but my Russian and Ukrainian is also perfect since I have been living in Ukraine for 18 years. I have a strong experience in translating (Russian - English). My price is 0.02 US dollars per word and I can translate 1800 words per day.

Sirs, I am a freelance translator, English to Romanian. I have 17 yeas' experience with translations (30 novels translated and different smaller projects).

I am currently interested in Freelance Translator and Writer positions in the announcement. I have a 2 year translation background in my IT projects and writing experience since my university life. I have had a 20 year English education background and I have currently been working as a business analyst in a large-scaled IT project in a multinational environment.

Hello, I'm new at freelance jobs but i'm experienced with translations from English to portuguese and portuguese to english. Very fluent in english (written and spoken), portuguese is my native language. Can also do english to french translations.

Hello! I translate with turkish/Russian on русский/turkish at an o'clock approximately 200-300 words. I wish to work!

I like to bid on translation project, English, Italian and Albanian are the languages I can translate from.

Hi, I am a translator since two years for EN, FR > IT. I am interested in the translation projects.

Translator Rate for less than 10.000 words 0.03, rate for more than 10.000 words 0.02. Output languages: English & Spanish (fully billingual) Input languages: English, Spanish, French & Catalan Can translate 400 or 500 words per hour depending on text difficulty. Willing to take test to prove competency.

Dear Sir/Madam, I'd like to offer Russian translations at the basic rate of 0.03 Euro/source word (pricing for repetitions/matches when working with Trados is negotiable) and handle around 2500-2800 words a day, accepting Moneybookers payments. I'm accurate and always study the field of translated document thoroughly and check the work doing my best to deliver high quality, easy-readable translations within their deadlines.

I can translate 700-800 words in an hour from English to French, or Spanish to French

Hi. I am bidding for the Translator job. I can translate from French to English and vice versa. I usually translate documents for my French coleagues here in my company and am very quick in translation. Regards...

Hello, I am a French translator who speaks fluently English and German.

Hello. Even though I am new to this site, I have been working as a freelance translator/editor/proofreader/re-writer for an international publisher in London, UK, for 7 years. I am a native Dutch speaker with comparible habitual English. I would like to bid on translating from English into Dutch, or vice versa. I can translate between 400 and 500 words per hour, depending on the difficulty of the text provided. My bid for a 10,000 word translation would be 200 Euro.

I speak and writte 3 languages perfectly I will offer a high quality result.

I'm experienced translator and i'm native Greek. I have the Cambridge proficiency diploma in English language and currently working part time on a movie & TV-series translation company. Also my translating speed is averaging ~45 wpm.

Give Me Your Work............. I Can translate more than 1000 words per one hour.

I want to bid on translation project.

I'm interest in translation. Please contact me for further information

My bid is for Translator. I am a native of India. My native language is Hindi. I am a freelance (EnglishHindi) translator, editor & proof reader and have not much long back started my career in this field. I have, however, more than 10 years of experience of translation, editing and proof reading in my previous employments. I have a very good speed in English and Hindi typing. I can translate & type about 400 words (from English to Hindi or vice versa)in an hour. I am ready to appear for the translation test as you may decide. In the absence of actual quantum of work,

I am a freelance translator. I do English>bahasa Indonesia translation and I can finish 500 words in 1 hour. I am willing to adjust with your rate.

Dear Sirs, I would like to bid on the translation project. I am mothertongue Italian and I xan translate from English, French or German to Italian. I can assure an accurate work. I hope to start cooperating with you

Translation: I am a freelance translator/writer. I translate between English and Spanish. On general subjects, I translate an average of 24 words per minute (1440 wph). I am ready to do the test on the sample text of your choice.------------ I can team up with my wife, who can translate between Spanish and French, at a speed somewhat slower than mine. We can do the three languages together, albeit more slowly than the Spanish-English, Spanish-French pairs.-----------

Hi, I´m a native european portuguese translator and I have more than 10 years of translation experience. I have recently worked on a similar project and I'm full available for your test. I assure you top quality, quick work and low rate prices(0,02cents). If interested kindly respond. Thank you,

Our rate is USD 0.02/source word We can translate from/to English/Spanish/Portuguese

I am professional translator specially in the pair of English Chinese (native, both simplified and transitional) with over 7 years experience. I can translate about 500 source words in one hour. I agree the rates of EUR0.01-0.03 for 1-10,000 words and EUR0.01-0.02 for 10,000 and more.


There are hundreds more....



[Edited at 2009-10-09 17:11 GMT]


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Hepburn  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 21:42
English to French
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Low level bids and low level translations Oct 9, 2009

Where on earth did you get to read those bids? do you work in an agency or did you offer a fake job???

I am flabbergasted ...

Claudette


[Edited at 2009-10-09 16:55 GMT]


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Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
Local time: 20:42
Italian to English
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Priceless Oct 9, 2009

Jeff Whittaker wrote:

No comment:

“We need freelance translators for all language pairs. We are willing to pay $0.01-$0.03 for small projects (1-10,000 words) and $0.01-$0.02 for large projects (10,000 and more).You will have to translate a sample text as test translation. You must give the amount of words you can translate in 1 hour for your language pair. A sample text will have to be translated as test. Please note that MACHINE/SOFTWARE TRANSLATIONS will not be paid for.”




[Edited at 2009-10-09 16:48 GMT]


Frankly, looking at the sample answers, $0.01-$0.02 seems a little on the high side, don't you think?


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Robert Forstag  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 15:42
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Spanish to English
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The sad thing about this.... Oct 9, 2009

....is that these lowball offers--while easily dismissed in themselves--depress the market in general. Thus, if you see enough offers for 1 or 2 cents a word, then offers of 6 or 7 cents a word may not look all that bad.

It is most unfortunate that this website serves as a portal for so many such offers (i.e., those that are both "obscenely low" and simply "very low") without offering translators any means of feedback to such offers (i.e., such as including purely rate-based criteria as part of the Blue Board ratings for the companies making such offers).

Instead, what typically happens is that we simply vent to one another on forums such as this, while the offers continue to stream in on the home page of a site where so many of us spend so much of our time.


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LegalTransform  Identity Verified
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Offers not from ProZ Oct 9, 2009

These offers do not come from ProZ, but from another "freelance" jobs portal.

I was not astounded that some people responded, but I was astonished at the sheer number of people desperate for any crumb of a job. In fact, there are 59 PAGES of responses.

[quote]Claudette Hepburn wrote:

Where on earth did you get to read those bids? do you work in an agency or did you offer a fake job???

I am flabbergasted ...

Claudette


[Edited at 2009-10-09 17:15 GMT]


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KSL Berlin  Identity Verified
Portugal
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German to English
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It's nice to know that no linguistic toilet will go uncleaned Oct 9, 2009

I do not believe that ridiculous "opportunities" like that depress the market in general. You have described a world that has very little to do with that of a translation professional. You get what you pay for, and those who pay such rates get what they deserve.

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Robert Forstag  Identity Verified
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Offer not from proz.com Oct 9, 2009

To Jeff:

Point taken. However many similar offers (and many that fall into only a slightly less ridiculous category) appear on this site as well.

To Kevin:

I think that your assertion is debatable, and that the ridiculously low offers do indeed form part of the equation as to what comes to be considered as "acceptable" (at least in terms of publicly advertised offers on the kinds of jobs boards that we are discussing here).


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xxxXX789  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 21:42
English to Dutch
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You gotta love this one Oct 9, 2009

Hi. I'im interessed for translation. I can translate 1000 words per hour. I speak fluently french and english. Please contact me

Fluently?

Fluently my *ss.


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Pompeo Lattanzi
Italy
Local time: 21:42
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If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys... Oct 9, 2009

Kevin Lossner wrote:

I do not believe that ridiculous "opportunities" like that depress the market in general. You have described a world that has very little to do with that of a translation professional. You get what you pay for, and those who pay such rates get what they deserve.


It's just a pity that professionals will go unnoticed and unrecognized as a consequence...
I happened to handle a translation into french for a Company. At the back of the original Italian text there was the English version and I naively proposed to re-do the English translation as it was riddled with mistakes. The Marketing Manager (who claims "he knows English very well"!) answered that they had already printed 5000 copies, and in any case nobody reads instructions leaflets.
I decided there and then that I shall never again deal with amateurs. It's their funeral, even if I'm also paying for it.


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Kay Barbara
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:42
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If things like this depress your market... Oct 9, 2009

consider moving into a better one.

Thanks a lot for sharing this, Jeff.

The bronze medal goes to:
Give Me Your Work............. I Can translate more than 1000 words per one hour.

This is concise and to the point. Why bother to write more? I think the dominant approach is something I will have to consider in future quotes.

My silver medal will be awarded to:
I'm experienced translator and i'm native Greek. I have the Cambridge proficiency diploma in English language and currently working part time on a movie & TV-series translation company. Also my translating speed is averaging ~45 wpm.

I am impressed that an MT system (at merely 2700wph a rather slow one, I have to say) managed to autonomously submit a quote which linguistically beats the competition hands down. Looks like the machines are taking over now...

And last, but by no means least, the gold medal goes to:
"Hi, I am the director of a call centre located in India.I would give rest of the details once we go for the next level of our communication.I have different teams who are ready to work for translations(International languages are French,Spanish,greek,hebrew and german and our teams work by swapping the languages ie from english to french and french to english)"

Simply for bidding for this job and then having his obedient horde of sla...translators do the job at 0.0005 Icelandic Krona per word. Well done! In fact, this should be a platinum medal...


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Fiona Grace Peterson  Identity Verified
Italy
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All-time rock bottom rate? Oct 9, 2009

One of my personal favourites is the last one:

"I am professional translator specially in the pair of English Chinese (native, both simplified and transitional) with over 7 years experience. I can translate about 500 source words in one hour. I agree the rates of EUR0.01-0.03 for 1-10,000 words and EUR0.01-0.02 for 10,000 and more."

0.01 Euros for 10,000 words? Must be an all-time low


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Aniello Scognamiglio  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 21:42
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You missed something Oct 9, 2009

Jeff: That is the rate for booting the PC!

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Laurent KRAULAND  Identity Verified
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It comes as a surprise Oct 9, 2009

Robert Forstag wrote:


It is most unfortunate that this website serves as a portal for so many such offers (i.e., those that are both "obscenely low" and simply "very low") without offering translators any means of feedback to such offers (i.e., such as including purely rate-based criteria as part of the Blue Board ratings for the companies making such offers).

that many outsourcers with publicly known low to very low prices are praised with the maximum ratings on translation portals.
When comparing the prices they offer to the ratings they receive, one can but only wonder who in earth (and more precisely: in the Western hemisphere of the world and in "developed" countries) is working for those outsourcers...

[Edited at 2009-10-09 18:06 GMT]


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Brian Young  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 12:42
Danish to English
translator's voluntary stimulus package Oct 9, 2009

Why not just work for free? By offering to work for $0.0000 per word, we can accomplish many things:
1. No more haggling over rates
2. Improve international communication and world peace
3. Give a needed stimulus to these companies that are trying to get into the market.
4. Feel good about yourself
5. Improve chances of getting into Heaven
6. Set record, and get listed in Ripley's Belive it or Not.
7. Put immoral money-grubbing translators out of business
8. Be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

We can all work together to make the world a better place.


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Robert Forstag  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 15:42
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To Laurent Oct 9, 2009

You have put your finger on one of the glaring weaknesses of the Blue Board system here: i.e., that its main useful purpose (and it is useful) is to identify non-paying outsourcers. Apart from that, high ratings tend to be given to companies that pay decent, low, and absurd rates, without discrimination.

This was an issue that I identified in a post some time ago:

http://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_suggestions/120808-suggestions_for_changing_blue_board_rating_system.html#993130


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