Partita IVA Italiana for UK based translator
Thread poster: simona dachille

simona dachille  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Italian to English
Jun 8, 2010

I am a UK based self-employed translator. My main clients are Italian, I also work for some English companies but the bulk of my work comes from Italy. Because of the new EU Directive which was brought in in Jan 2010, my Italian clients are requesting an EU VAT ID NO., which of course I don't have as I don't need to register for VAT here in the UK.
I have read many of the forums on the EU directive here and have spent hours on the phone to the tax office, the VAT office and accountants here in the UK. The advice is conflicting, some say to insist that I am exempt (I have tried but it's like banging my head against a brick wall) and others say to register for VAT here in the UK which I don't want to do.
All say I am exempt from registering from VAT so I do not need this number and all the accountants I have spoken to advise me NOT to register for VAT here in the UK.
My problem is that the main company I work for is refusing to pay me because they cannot process my payments without this tax number. So I am considering opening an Italian partita IVA to use just for the work I do from Italy.
Has anyone had any experience of doing this or are they doing it now? I know it's possible to open a Partita IVA in Italy even as a non-resident, there's a special form for this. I would really like to hear from anyone who works this way. TIA


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Russell Jones  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Italian to English
Previous Thread Jun 8, 2010

Hi Simona

In case you haven't seen it, there was a long running thread on this here: http://www.proz.com/topic/153466 but it seems to reflect the conflicting opinions you refer to.



[Edited at 2010-06-08 22:12 GMT]


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simona dachille  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Italian to English
TOPIC STARTER
Thanks but... Jun 8, 2010

I have read that thread many times and all the other ones relating to this topic that have already been posted. Unfortunately my client is saying that a certificate from the tax office saying that I am based in the UK and therefore pay my taxes here will not suffice. So I'm wondering if anyone has opened a Partita Iva in Italy while being based here in the UK.

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Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Member (2008)
Italian to English
Not needed Jun 8, 2010

Simona:

I assume you are wholly resident in the UK for tax purposes and that your turnover is less than GBP 70,000. So as you clearly understand yourself, you don't need to be VAT registered

All you need to do is to write at the bottom of your invoices (in English, because only the UK tax authorities are the only ones to whom you are responsible) "VAT not applicable under UK regulations".

I assume that's what you already do.

If you are NOT wholly resident in the UK for tax purposes, then the position becomes quite complicated. If you want to know more about this, you'll find an explanation on the HMRC website in a booklet with the snappy title "Residents and non-residents. Liability to tax in the United Kingdom" here: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/c9.htm

As for your Italian client: they need a new commercialista.

Just be firm with them. Be very English

[Edited at 2010-06-08 22:09 GMT]


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Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
Local time: 23:18
Italian to English
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Be very English Jun 8, 2010

I was very Welsh instead and it worked for me!
Nos da
Suzi


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Sonia Hill
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Italian to English
Not needed Jun 9, 2010

Most of my clients are based in Italy too and I had a few queries about this earlier this year. When they investigated further, they all agreed that I didn't need a VAT No. and that the Intrastat form didn't apply to their dealings with me as a result. I sent them a link to the HMRC website, where it says that UK workers earning under £70K don't need a VAT No. and that seemed to clear things up. Maybe you could try doing that?

I think it would be way too complicated registering for VAT in Italy. At that point you might as well do it in the UK, so that at least you could claim back any VAT on your business expenses over here. However, you really don't need a VAT number at all.

Good luck convincing them!


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Laura Mussutto  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:18
Member (2009)
English to Italian
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Nota di pagamento Jun 9, 2010

None of my Italian clients has ever given me any problems and insisted I open a Partita IVA.
They worked out with their commercialisti that mine should not be called "fatture" but "note di pagamento" or "notule", and for my part I just have to make sure that this is clearly marked on my invoice.
It gives me the shivers to only think of the hassle and cost of opening a Partita IVA, SO much better to be English!!!


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