No PayPal in Ukraine - why?
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Paul Dixon  Identity Verified
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Jan 8, 2013

I have just heard that there is no PayPal service in Ukraine. Does anyone have any idea why? Are there any other countries where PayPal and/or Moneybookers are not operational?

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Tatsiana Ihnatsyeva  Identity Verified
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payments via Paypal in the Ukraine Jan 8, 2013

Dear Paul,
here is a related how to article (in Russian though)
http://www.wordhord.com/2010/05/kak-prinimat-platezhi-paypal-v-ukraine-rosii-i-gde-ugodno/
The owner of this blog is present on Proz: http://www.proz.com/translator/847696
If you need to tackle a Paypal payment situation, he might help with advice I suppose.


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Timote Suladze  Identity Verified
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Too many difficulties, too many troubles Jan 8, 2013

As for me, no sence to use PayPal in the countries of ex USSR. Much more easier to receive cash, or transfer to bank account, or at least Western Union transter.

[Modificato alle 2013-01-08 04:55 GMT]


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Tatsiana Ihnatsyeva  Identity Verified
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it all depends, for sure Jan 8, 2013

If you have abundant clientele who pays you the way you like, there is definitely no need to bother.
If you desperately want a certain order, and the customer's only payment way is Paypal, and you reside in ex-USSR, it is nice to have at least something handy to help you hook this aspired order of yours


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Philippe Etienne  Identity Verified
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Currency control? Jan 8, 2013

Paul Dixon wrote:
...Are there any other countries where PayPal and/or Moneybookers are not operational?

Yes, certainly many. Morocco is one. I would say at least all countries where currency exchange is regulated (non-convertible currency).
Being able to legally change currency at will is a chance. Not all countries are that flexible and free as regards money crossing boundaries.

Philippe


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Timote Suladze  Identity Verified
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:) Jan 8, 2013

Tatsiana I. wrote:

If you desperately want a certain order, and the customer's only payment way is Paypal

I can not immagine such situation.


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Ty Kendall  Identity Verified
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Egypt Jan 8, 2013

There's no Paypal in Egypt either apparently. They tend to use moneybookers instead, which once led to me not being paid and why I would be very wary of accepting any work from there again.

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Tatsiana Ihnatsyeva  Identity Verified
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Belarus not on the Paypal list, too Jan 8, 2013

We have the same situation with Paypal in Belarus as in the Ukraine.

As for different sutuations - you never know what may happen.
I read about someone's experience of the kind.


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Paul Dixon  Identity Verified
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Situation Jan 8, 2013

To explain the situation, I live in Brazil and need to buy something from a Ukrainian supplier. This is a one-off operation and the cost is not large. The supplier has suggested Western Union but I guess the charges would be very high.
I have no clients in ex-USSR as yet but thank you for the information, if the situation ever arises I know what to expect.
For your information, in Brazil PayPal operates normally and is by far the most popular. Moneybookers is practically unknown. I only have PayPal, I had Moneybookers years ago but cancelled the account as no-one used it.


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Tatsiana Ihnatsyeva  Identity Verified
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some other payment methods Jan 9, 2013

Visa/Mastercard/wire transfer/webmoney/yandexmoney might be used or may be after all you check up Western Union - the fee may turn out to be acceptable

Boa sorte no ano novo, Paul!


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Sarah McDowell  Identity Verified
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strange Jan 9, 2013

This is strange because I have received payments by PayPal form people in Ukraine. Apparently they can't accept payments but they can send payments from there.

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Philippe Etienne  Identity Verified
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There are some workarounds Jan 9, 2013

Sarah McDowell wrote:
This is strange because I have received payments by PayPal form people in Ukraine. Apparently they can't accept payments but they can send payments from there.

If you live in a country where Paypal is not present, you can link your Paypal account to a bank account in a country served by Paypal.
But if your account is very active, I think at some point you need to prove that you reside in the country of the linked acccount (money-laundering measures).

Philippe


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Oleksandr Ivanov  Identity Verified
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It is strange, but it is the way it is... Jan 10, 2013

Sarah McDowell wrote:

This is strange because I have received payments by PayPal form people in Ukraine. Apparently they can't accept payments but they can send payments from there.



I can only confirm what Sarah said above. I am from (and in) Ukraine, and I can pay with Paypal, but may not receive any payments. I believe the reason is that Ukraine's hryvnia is not a convertible currency and exchanging foreign currency into hryvnia (or merely receiving foreign currency as a company or a sole trader in Ukraine) is subject to numerous stupidly onerous procedures within the country.

Another issue, which I sometimes see mentioned, is the purportedly high level of credit card fraud in Ukraine, but thanks God I cannot confirm these allegations with my own experience. Also, it can be the legacy of the period, when Ukraine did not co-operate with the bloody AML task forces back in 2003... Who knows.

On the other hand, Skrill (nee Moneybookers) does work with Ukraine, but doesn't work with the USA (at least, it didn't a couple of years ago). It looks like a U-to-U conspiracy to me


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sazo  Identity Verified
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:-) Jan 11, 2013

I am from (and in) Ukraine, and I can pay with Paypal, but may not receive any payments. I believe the reason is that Ukraine's hryvnia is not a convertible currency and exchanging foreign currency into hryvnia (or merely receiving foreign currency as a company or a sole trader in Ukraine) is subject to numerous stupidly onerous procedures within the country.

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On the other hand, Skrill (nee Moneybookers) does work with Ukraine, but doesn't work with the USA (at least, it didn't a couple of years ago). It looks like a U-to-U conspiracy to me


A couple of years ago, we had the same issue in Croatia. I was able to pay with Paypal, but coudn't receive any payments unless it was a refund. I guess, since 2011, I can receive payments, but they have to be on my account for at least 30 days before Paypal automatically withdraws the funds to my bank account. In case of Croatia, if you make a payment today - on 11 January, I'll receive it on 1 March. Imagine now, a client has payment terms of, e.g., 45 days, more than two and a half month will pass before I have my fee at my disposal. Nevertheless, Paypal has made my life much easier, I can accept jobs from almost any country in the world and last but not least, I have almost given up Skrill (nee Moneybookers), because of their ridiculous conversion rate. The usual conversion rate is 7,50 HRK for 1 EUR, but Monebookers use a rate of 8,20 HRK for 1 EUR. A bit too much.


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