Work via Proz.com without a tax id?
Thread poster: Elizaveta Holmansckih

Elizaveta Holmansckih
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Jul 8, 2014

Hello! Tell me, please, is it possible to work via proz.com without a tax id? Is it worth buying membership in this case?

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Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
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We don't work via ProZ.com Jul 8, 2014

elizabeth2014 wrote:
Hello! Tell me, please, is it possible to work via proz.com without a tax id? Is it worth buying membership in this case?


Hello, and welcome to the site.

We get in touch with potential clients via ProZ.com; we then work directly with the company or individual and ProZ.com takes no further part in the process (although you can prepare an invoice here etc - but that's just an administration interface, as the invoice is from you to your client).

The bottom line is that you MUST be able to invoice your clients in a correct way. This isn't the sort of business where payment is in cash, and we very often work across national borders so you have to be very careful that you don't come to the attention of the authorities who are forever on the lookout for money laundering. I don't know what you need to be able to present your clients with a valid invoice as this varies from country to country.

Buying membership is therefore not linked to tax, but it can be very worthwhile under certain conditions. If you wish to use ProZ.com as THE place to meet clients then you would benefit from first buying membership and then being active on the site in various ways so that you become visible to clients. Membership payment alone will rarely suffice. You can find out about using ProZ.com here: http://www.proz.com/guidance-center


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Elizaveta Holmansckih
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Invoice? Jul 8, 2014

Thank you, Sheila, for your answer. I've realizaed now that membership is more profitable and gives one more chances.

Then, you have mentioned money laundry.. Do you mean to say that the work with clients without formal registration and, thus, without invoices is not very relyable and that I may get myself stumped?


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Elizaveta Holmansckih
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Membership Jul 8, 2014

Is it possible to find clients via proz.com without the membership?

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Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
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To address your two posts Jul 8, 2014

you have mentioned money laundry.. Do you mean to say that the work with clients without formal registration and, thus, without invoices is not very relyable and that I may get myself stumped?

If your country requires formal registration of all professional entities, whether individuals (e.g. self-employed freelance translators) or companies (e.g. translation agencies and end clients), then I believe it would be unacceptable for either party to enter into a contractual relationship without first registering.

But as I said before, I don't know the requirements in your country. In some countries, registration is not needed in advance: one simply declares the income and pays appropriate taxes and social security contributions.

Is it possible to find clients via proz.com without the membership?

Technically, it is possible to find work here without any training, experience or paid membership.

In practice, why would any client choose such a person when so many better candidates are registered here? It could only happen if you had extraordinary specialised subject-area knowledge, and/or worked in a very rare pair. With speakers of 2+ languages becoming more and more common it makes sense to provide only those services you can excel at: in services where you have training and/or experience; in subject areas where you have training and/or experience; and into the language you excel at, which is normally your native language.

Nothing else makes sense.


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Elizaveta Holmansckih
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Membership - reply Jul 9, 2014

Thank you, Sheila, for such extended answers.
Only... I have not quite grasped it why paid membership necesserily presupposes excellence in the work you are engaged with, that is translations in our case. To me, it's only money matters


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Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
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You need SOMETHING to offer clients Jul 9, 2014

elizabeth2014 wrote:
I have not quite grasped it why paid membership necesserily presupposes excellence in the work you are engaged with, that is translations in our case. To me, it's only money matters

Paid membership is no guarantee of anything, certainly not excellence, though I imagine the vast majority of those who pay are at least working as translators, i.e. earning money to cover the membership fees, not just amateurs who like languages.

As I implied in my previous message,
if you had extraordinary specialised subject-area knowledge, and/or worked in a very rare pair
then you might succeed in finding jobs here just by registering as a non-paying user and completing your profile with nothing more than your languages, subjects and a couple of sample translations.

But most of us have to do a lot more to gain our clients' confidence. We pay for visibility (and the small amount of confidence that come with knowing that we are serious enough about translating to pay for membership). But once clients find our profiles then they still need to find very interesting information there (experience, training, testimonials, samples of work, credentials...the lot); otherwise they will simply choose someone else.

Have you seen how many users there are on ProZ.com? We are tiny fish in an enormous ocean.


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Elizaveta Holmansckih
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A beginning translator Jul 10, 2014

Yes, but I am not an amature translator, I'm a beginning translator. There is a difference, isn't there?
That is why it is easy not to pay for the membership which I do not wll or will not be paid off in the future.

Thank you for your answer but I'd like to close this topic if you don't mind.


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