Non payment
Thread poster: Sandesh Ghimire

Sandesh Ghimire  Identity Verified
Nepal
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Feb 17, 2016

Hi All,
Do you people have experience not being paid? Or recovering from the unwilling agencies?

How do you treat the non paying agencies?

Thank you.
Kind regards


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Joakim Braun  Identity Verified
Sweden
Local time: 01:52
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Yes Feb 17, 2016

Just once in 18 years.

Got a payment order from the enforcement authority and was paid. This took a few months, but the process was simple and the debtor reimbursed the (modest) cost.

Treat them as the utility company would treat you if you didn't pay your electricity bill.
That means: A couple of reminders, the final one with a threat of taking legal action. Then legal action.

I would never bother with a Blueboard.

(Also, taking legal action is an interesting, educational experience!)

[Bearbeitet am 2016-02-17 14:36 GMT]


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sans22
Sweden
Local time: 01:52
Blue board Feb 17, 2016

Put an entry on the blue board and let others know that the agency doesn't pay. It's a good place to start anyway. Sometimes agencies will cough up after they see the negative entry, sometimes not. How much is it? A large amount that warrants a collection agency or small claims court?

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Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Member (2008)
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Never seen in Feb 17, 2016

Sandesh Ghimire wrote:

Hi All,
Do you people have experience not being paid? Or recovering from the unwilling agencies?

How do you treat the non paying agencies?

Thank you.
Kind regards


Various agencies and one private client have tried not paying me. They were sorry in the end. Nobody has ever succeeded in not paying me. I have ways of persuading people to pay.

What I regret is that some of those agencies still appear to be getting continuous 5 scores and positive ratings on the BlueBoard. I can't believe they pay everyone except me.

[Edited at 2016-02-17 14:31 GMT]


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Sandesh Ghimire  Identity Verified
Nepal
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It is $4000 Feb 17, 2016

It is a big sum for me. I am wondering how a legal action can be taken given that the agency is based in Denmark and I in Nepal.

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James Hodges  Identity Verified
Japan
Local time: 09:52
Member (2011)
Japanese to English
Haven't had any non-payment issues myself but. Feb 17, 2016

Before handing out any advice you might at least give us the country of the agency in question. Then somebody from that neck of the woods might be able to help you out.

That being said, however, I believe the standard approach for us folks here on Proz (for a job that was obtained from Proz) is to try and negotiate with the project managers from the agency in question. If they still don't cough up the money, threaten to give them a score of 1 on the blue board. I've heard that can be pretty effective.

Best of luck.


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Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Ask a Dane Feb 17, 2016

Sandesh Ghimire wrote:

It is a big sum for me. I am wondering how a legal action can be taken given that the agency is based in Denmark and I in Nepal.



Ask someone in the Danish discussion forums to suggest a good debt recovery agency based in Denmark, or a Danish lawyer - preferably one who is based in the same town as the agency.

In my experience, a non-paying agency will pay as soon as they know a lawyer or a debt recovery agency is on their case.

[Edited at 2016-02-17 14:34 GMT]


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Joakim Braun  Identity Verified
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Basics Feb 17, 2016

Sandesh Ghimire wrote:

I am wondering how a legal action can be taken given that the agency is based in Denmark and I in Nepal.



Some basics here.


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Marie-Christine Nguyen  Identity Verified
France
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No, only a big delay Feb 17, 2016

Hi Sandesh,

I have only experienced a big big delay with an agency. They used to pay well and regularly (but within 60 days) until last year. When I noticed that one of my invoice was late by one month, I have already done other projects for them during two other months. My first reminders by emails got the following answer "We are late, sorry, we will catch up at the end of the month". After 2 or 3 weeks of hide and seek game, I finally sent an email to the project managers I regularly work with that I will stop working for them a while till all my invoices are paid (which summed up at that moment for 3 000 USD). This prompted an email from the director of the company saying that "sorry, our clients are late in their payments so we cannot pay you right now". I kept sending reminders every month then a registered letter to the company, which is called in French a "mise en demeure", that they have to pay if not I will send them my lawyer. It took me finally 6 months to recover those 3 bills. Of course I don't receive any proposals from them anymore but that's fine, I was not going to work with them anymore knowing they will still pay late, so I keep doing marketing and have found other clients. (even if you think you have regular good clients alwys be careful, one may drop you, diversify yourself, get several "eggs in the basket")
So is your client not willing to pay (for what reason ?) or are they just late in their payments ?


[Edited at 2016-02-17 16:25 GMT]

[Edited at 2016-02-17 16:26 GMT]


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helpy
Local time: 01:52
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Thanks Feb 17, 2016

Well even though i am new out here, it really helped me to know how it works in here It seems like i have an offer from a big company here with good standings on blueboard and they want to send wire transfer after 30-35 days. I was wary at the beginning but seems like its a risk worth taking. I can always post to blueboard.

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Andrea Halbritter  Identity Verified
France
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Didn't you post that a quite a while ago? Feb 17, 2016

Didn't you already post that problem quite a while ago or am I wrong?

Wasn't it about a certain amount of money which an agency ows you since several years?


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