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Yet another inflammatory job offer
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Fiona Gilbert Riley  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 16:48
Spanish to English
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Oct 12, 2018

Here's another one to get us all up in arms about.

To give further context, this arrived in my inbox via Proz yesterday evening, and required availability for at least the next two days, and perhaps a further three. Today is a national holiday here in Spain, although perhaps the advertiser wouldn't know that, since the offer came from ROI. Tomorrow and Sunday are the weekend.

Do the maths and then fume!

"To deal with a spike in dem
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Here's another one to get us all up in arms about.

To give further context, this arrived in my inbox via Proz yesterday evening, and required availability for at least the next two days, and perhaps a further three. Today is a national holiday here in Spain, although perhaps the advertiser wouldn't know that, since the offer came from ROI. Tomorrow and Sunday are the weekend.

Do the maths and then fume!

"To deal with a spike in demand on an on-going automotive
translation project we are looking for 20 to 30 Spanish to English
technical translators. Experience in automotive is not a
requirement, but Trados Studio and open-mindedness about machine
translation are.


Many words do not need to be translated so payment is EUR .05 per
word with discounts for TM matches etc. and payment terms are 2
weeks end of this October. Earnings of EUR 200 per day are typical
on these kinds of projects."in


One comment only from me to start you off: I've been working in automotive translation for over 20 years and have no idea how someone without some specialised training/experience could translate at speed in this area...

[Edited at 2018-10-12 20:24 GMT]
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Katalin Szilárd  Identity Verified
Hungary
Local time: 16:48
Member (2006)
English to Hungarian
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End customers Oct 12, 2018

Noni Gilbert wrote:

Experience in automotive is not a
requirement, but Trados Studio and open-mindedness about machine
translation are.

....
Many words do not need to be translated


I am wondering what the end customers would say if they knew this.


Teresa Borges
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Jean Dimitriadis  Identity Verified
France
Member
English to French
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Open-mindedness Oct 12, 2018

Noni Gilbert wrote:

"To deal with a spike in demand on an on-going automotive
translation project we are looking for 20 to 30 Spanish to English
technical translators. Experience in automotive is not a
requirement, but Trados Studio and open-mindedness about machine
translation are.



I hope the end client will have the same… open-mindedness. Because they'll get a bang for the buck.


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Teresa Borges
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Germaine
Karin Seelhof
 

Fiona Grace Peterson  Identity Verified
Italy
Local time: 16:48
Member
Italian to English
Disgraceful Oct 12, 2018

Noni Gilbert wrote:

open-mindedness about machine translation [is a requirement].


"Open-mindedness" sounds awfully like "you'd better be prepared to put up with all the crap we throw your way."

Noni Gilbert wrote:

payment is EUR .05 per word... Earnings of EUR 200 per day are typical
on these kinds of projects.


That's 4000 words per day, not allowing for matches, repetitions and so forth.

But still! Two hundred euros a day!!! How could anyone refuse????


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jyuan_us  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:48
Member (2005)
English to Chinese
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No bottom line for the bottom feeders Oct 12, 2018

Some agencies might have thought a translator the same as the owner of the convenience store in the street corner downstairs, where they can get everything they want at any time for a very low price.

I had an agency from an Asian country Skype me once, offering me an "opportunity" to proofread their files for $15. I rejected. Then, they asked me "how about I pay you $17?"

I guess $2 means lot to these people and for them each dollar counts. It is not surprising that t
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Some agencies might have thought a translator the same as the owner of the convenience store in the street corner downstairs, where they can get everything they want at any time for a very low price.

I had an agency from an Asian country Skype me once, offering me an "opportunity" to proofread their files for $15. I rejected. Then, they asked me "how about I pay you $17?"

I guess $2 means lot to these people and for them each dollar counts. It is not surprising that they do business this way.
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Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.)  Identity Verified
Thailand
Local time: 21:48
Member (2004)
English to Thai
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Ridiculous job offers Oct 12, 2018

jyuan_us wrote:

Some agencies might have thought a translator the same as the owner of the convenience store in the street corner downstairs, where they can get everything they want at any time for a very low price.

I had an agency from an Asian country Skype me once, offering me an "opportunity" to proofread their files for $15. I rejected. Then, they asked me "how about I pay you $17?"

I guess $2 means lot to these people and for them each dollar counts. It is not surprising that they do business this way.


This is a recent trend on job offers. When more translators are tolerable with those bitter wordings related to professionalism, darker future of the career is counted.

Soonthon L.


 

Andy Watkinson
Spain
Local time: 16:48
Member
Catalan to English
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ROI? Oct 13, 2018

Noni Gilbert wrote:

Today is a national holiday here in Spain, although perhaps the advertiser wouldn't know that, since the offer came from ROI. Tomorrow and Sunday are the weekend.



Return On Investment? (OK. Probably deformación profesional).


 

Michael Newton  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 10:48
Member (2003)
Japanese to English
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Inflammatory job offer Oct 13, 2018

"Translations are like sausages, it is best not to see them being made"

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Catherine Howard
United States
Local time: 10:48
Portuguese to English
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Long-time practice by this job poster Oct 13, 2018

Sixteen years ago, this job poster offered $.06 per word, and that sparked protest among Proz members. Some people never learn.

https://www.proz.com/forum/money_matters/1741-transpiralcom_germany_offers_only_006_for_sap_translations_is_this_a_normal_rate_in_germany.html


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Fiona Gilbert Riley  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 16:48
Spanish to English
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ROI Oct 13, 2018

Andy Watkinson wrote:

Noni Gilbert wrote:

Today is a national holiday here in Spain, although perhaps the advertiser wouldn't know that, since the offer came from ROI. Tomorrow and Sunday are the weekend.



Return On Investment? (OK. Probably deformación profesional).


Republic of Ireland! I like the way our translators' minds scroll through the options! I tried once to explain to my children that seeing a term often feels like opening a drop-down menu of choices.


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Rebecca Davis  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:48
French to English
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Quick question Oct 13, 2018

Was it addressed to you personally, or a general email?

 

Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
Italy
Local time: 16:48
Member
English to Italian
Now on the high side... Oct 13, 2018

Catherine Howard wrote:

Sixteen years ago, this job poster offered $.06 per word, and that sparked protest among Proz members. Some people never learn.

https://www.proz.com/forum/money_matters/1741-transpiralcom_germany_offers_only_006_for_sap_translations_is_this_a_normal_rate_in_germany.html


Actually, that thread says it was €.06 (but that doesn't really change much). Fact is that it's dated 2002, and now, 16 years later, we not only have a lot of "mainstream" agencies "offering" similar rates, but also a horde of new ones getting work done at 0.1-0.5 (USD)...

Very reassuring.


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Thayenga  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 16:48
Member (2009)
English to German
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Just take it for what it is Oct 13, 2018

This must definitely be a joke, so laugh about it and then delete the mail.

Seriously, it's apparent that the sender of that email doesn't know what it takes to deliver a flawless translation. S/He definitely has no respect for your work. Offering a meager 0.05 per word and then even daring to demand discounts for matches can only mean that that person wants to have only half of the words translated. It would be interesting to know if s/he is sufficiently open-minded when receiving
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This must definitely be a joke, so laugh about it and then delete the mail.

Seriously, it's apparent that the sender of that email doesn't know what it takes to deliver a flawless translation. S/He definitely has no respect for your work. Offering a meager 0.05 per word and then even daring to demand discounts for matches can only mean that that person wants to have only half of the words translated. It would be interesting to know if s/he is sufficiently open-minded when receiving the results that s/he deserves.

The cherry on the cream is they claim that you can make EUR 200 a day. The translation of this assumption is, if you managed to translate about 4.000 (at full rate) words (of complicated / complex content) and of course proofread them after having deducted all the matches (at a rate of 0.02 - 0.01?), then you can indeed earn EUR 200. Sometimes I wonder in what kind of dream world some outsourcers live)
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Chris S  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Swedish to English
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Que? Oct 13, 2018

Not trolling (honest) but what’s the big deal here? Isn’t this pretty typical for ProZ?

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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
Italy
Local time: 16:48
Member
English to Italian
But... is this PEMT with deductions for fuzzy matches/repetitions on top? Oct 13, 2018

Noni Gilbert wrote:

"Experience in automotive is not a
requirement, but Trados Studio and open-mindedness about machine
translation are."



I mean, why mention machine translation otherwise?


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