Off topic: Ever heard of Guillermo Vargas Habacuc?
Thread poster: Charlotte Blank
Charlotte Blank  Identity Verified
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May 9, 2008

If not, have a look at this:

http://aspcacommunity.ning.com/group/stopping (and a lot of similar websites, do a search at google!)

I got a mail from a friend asking me to sign a petition against this so-called "art"...

Charlotte

PS: If this does not comply with the forum rules ("Nothing controversial") I apologize but I couldn't help being horrified and just felt the need to share it.


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Marie-Hélène Hayles  Identity Verified
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According to the comments, he's already been stopped May 9, 2008

Comment by Rev. Dr. Leigh Foster on May 5, 2008 at 8:41am

Just to let everyone know, this guy has been stopped and new laws are being set into place for the artists that they are not allowed to use animals in their displays especially if that animal is being torchured or has been torchured and killed for the display. So give yourselves huge pats on the back for making such a wonderful breakthrough.


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Magda Dziadosz  Identity Verified
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Isn't it a some kind of hoax? May 9, 2008

Marie-Hélène Hayles wrote:

Comment by Rev. Dr. Leigh Foster on May 5, 2008 at 8:41am

Just to let everyone know, this guy has been stopped and new laws are being set into place for the artists that they are not allowed to use animals in their displays especially if that animal is being torchured or has been torchured and killed for the display. So give yourselves huge pats on the back for making such a wonderful breakthrough.


Does it mean that until now torturing and killing animals was (is) actually LEGAL?

Magda

PS: It seems that the full story has more aspects and is much less shocking:
http://attivissimo.blogspot.com/2007/11/antibufala-cane-lasciato-morire-per.html



[Edited at 2008-05-09 21:30]


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Ritu Bhanot  Identity Verified
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Looks like Magda is right May 10, 2008

And I hope that it is really true that it was just a hoax.

Here are a couple of links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas
http://www.euroweeklynews.com/news/6831.html

Some links in French:
http://www.hoaxbuster.com/hoaxteam/forum_contributions.php?idForum=3152&idMess=61047
http://www.hoaxbuster.com/hoaxteam/forum_contributions.php?idForum=3152&idMess=67929


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No more than bad taste, so it seems May 10, 2008

But without mentioning names/countries, you only have to read the papers/watch the news to graphically see where people are actually torturing other people.

That really gets to me.

In that respect, there are also plenty of petitions to sign.


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Madeleine MacRae Klintebo  Identity Verified
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Can this be real? May 10, 2008

A friend forwarded me an email about this which was doing the internet some weeks ago. She knows I'm not easily taken in by unsupported claims and wanted my view on the story. This is my reply to her:

"Well if all art loving Nicaraguans visiting the gallery during the exhibition were cold-hearted fascists.... If so there is a possibility. Otherwise, why are there no first hand accounts of this maltreatment?

A couple of interesting discussions:

http://harmonicminor.com/2008/04/07/the-guillermo-habacuc-vargas-hoax/

http://www.designfederation.net/news/?p=572"

Basically, with no supporting evidence, I find this whole thing rather racist. Like, this is how they treat animals in less developed countries. We the British/European/American etc. are so much higher evolved and are so much kinder to animals...


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Charlotte Blank  Identity Verified
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No Hoax? Let's hope so May 10, 2008

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/humane_society_international_hsi/cruelty_issues_around_the_world/starving_dog_as_art_42308.html

"An animal welfare organization in Honduras is keeping close watch on the case and assures us that Vargas will not repeat his objectionable exhibit there.
Unfortunately, the lack of animal cruelty laws in Nicaragua means that no charges can be sought for the earlier event. HSI is currently assessing how we can assist the Nicaraguan government in developing such laws."


http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2008/04/street-dog-art.html

"... we should rechannel our anguish and anger about Vargas and direct our energy to combat street dog problems in the developing world. Vargas is probably no more than a struggling artist, and we need not waste our time with further denunciations. But let's focus our energy on fighting the street dog problem and working to develop programs and infrastructure that can bring some relief to these creatures."


@ Textclick: Of course you are right - there is too much cruelty in the world both against humans and animals (and plants as well) and I definitely did not want to disesteem this.

@ Madeleine: "Otherwise, why are there no first hand accounts of this maltreatment?" This is something I was also quite astonished about. As far as I could see there was nothing in the "established" newspapers but when I found the above I thought that it cannot be altogether wrong. But even if it were, aren't they right in saying that it's important to start *doing* something?


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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It makes me puke May 11, 2008

In some thread I read: "Only three hours". Oh, my..

Here is some info that relates to animals that are going to be slaughtered anyway:

Factory animal rights and violation

What rights to freedom do cattle officially have?

In 1979 the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), an independent advisory organ of the European Committee, determined that animals in cattle farming have a right to the following 5 "freedoms":

Freedom from hunger and thirst - by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigour.
Freedom from discomfort - by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.
Freedom from pain, injury or disease - by prevention or rapid diagnosis and treatment.
Freedom to express normal behavior - by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animal's own kind.
Freedom from fear and distress - by ensuring conditions and treatment which avoid mental suffering.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:fj5EuHh-1w0J:www.animalfreedom.org/english/information/5rights.html%20animal%20rights%20usa%20access%20to%20water&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us


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