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VISITING ARGENTINA HAS NEVER BEEN SUCH A BARGAIN.

You can buy a studio by the seaside for 12,000 Dollars, or even less, a 2 bedroom apartment for double that price, travel 900 miles in a luxury bus for 30 Dollars (hot dinner on board included, with wine, whisky and champagne), stay at an hotel near the seaside for 5 Dollars per person... If you want to know more, read on...

True, while an hotel in Bariloche (the South American Switzerland) can cost as little as 8 Dollars per night, if you go to the glaciers area, you may have to pay 60 Dollars for a similar room, but if you cross over to Chile, a luxury hotel in the glaciers area can cost you as much as 500 Dollars per night (the the rates of the Salto Chico Hotel in Torres del Paine). And here comes the information you need to know.

For the last ten months or so, I have been writing in the Spanish Forum on the beauties of Argentina, and of the incredible opportunity of staying at good hotels for 7 to 25 Dollars per night (even less than that at Mar del Plata). However, not all of you understand Spanish, so I have decided to share with you in this Forum valuable information on the travel bargain that Argentina is today for foreign tourists.

Argentina has everything you could ever wish to see. From the train to the clouds in the Northwest, to the IguazĂș waterfalls in the Northeast, a European style metropolis like Buenos Aires, which in some aspects resembles Paris, Bariloche (the South American Switzerland), PenĂ­nsula Valdez in the Southeast with its whales, penguis and sea liones, Ushuaia, the southernmost city of the world, the IberĂĄ Marshes, the second wildlife protected area of South America and, of course, the magnificent glaciers at El Calafate (the South American Alaska). Without ignoring some beautiful beaches like CarilĂł, Pinamar, Villa Gesell and even Mar del Plata. All this for a fraction of the cost you would have to spend in other parts of the world.

In this forum we will see the IguazĂș Waterfalls, one of the wonders of the world, the Perito Moreno Glacier (the South American Alaska), Bariloche (the South American Switzerland), the Train to the Clouds in Salta, Ushuaia (the Southernmost city of the world) and much more.

THE IGUAZÚ WATERFALLS. ONE OF THE WONDERS OF NATURE.

Just on the border of Brazil and Argentina, and very near Paraguay, as if there were too much beauty for only one country, this magnificent wonder of nature attracts people from all parts of the world.

Surprisingly, IguazĂș is one of the most economical destinations of Argentina, provided you buy an all-inclusive package, or that you negotiate the price of the hotel before travelling. During Winter (July and August) and in Easter prices increase considerably, and it is very difficult to find an hotel room.

Here are the waterfalls:

http://www.argentour.com/iguazu.html

I suggest you have a look at the map in this first link and click on the different places to see how the scenery changes from one angle to another.

http://www.argentinaturistica.com/informa/igzifotos.htm

http://www.welcomeargentina.com/puertoiguazu/fotografias.html

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/South_America/Argentina/North/Misiones/Iguazu/
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/112806/

http://www.etravelphotos.com/argentina/iguazu.html

http://www.interhabit.com/interhabit/indexnotes.asp?id=146

http://www.argentinaturistica.com/2igziresenia.htm

http://www.curitiba-brazil.com/iguacu-falls.htm

http://www.mongabay.com/brazil_iguazu.htm


There are excellent hotels on both sides of the river: The Sheraton in Argentina and the Hotel Tropical (formerly Das Cataratas) in Brazil offer you an excellent panorama of the waterfalls from your hotel room. But keep this in mind: Five-star hotels charge international rates, while a four-star hotel will cost 3 to 4 times less money. For example, the hotel Libertador (3 stars) costs 22 US Dollars per night (the price during April 2004 is up to 42 Dollars including dinner and breakfst, but will fall again next month and increase once more in July), and dinner at this hotel, including wine, costs some 4 US Dollars. I doubt very much if you will find an hotel as good as this one in any other part of the world for 22 US Dollars per night. Here it is:

http://www.ellibertadoriguazu.com.ar/

I am sure you will enjoy this forum. Keep on reading...

Regards from Mar del Plata.

Robert Ingledew



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The Perito Moreno Glacier, Argentina (the South American Alaska) Jul 6, 2003

This glacier, of an incredible beauty, is more than 30 miles long, 200 feet average height, and forms part of a far larger system of glaciers, exceeding 200 miles long.
If is in the province of Santa Cruz, Argentina. I am sure you will enjoy it.

http://www.interpatagonia.com/elcalafate/fotos_i.html

Have a nice day.

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BARILOCHE, THE SOUTH AMERICAN SWITZERLAND Jul 9, 2003

I have had the chance of visiting Switzerland (not much, but I was at Zermat) and of comparing this country with the beauties of Southern Argentina. They are two completely different styles, both beautiful.

In Switzerland you see the perfection of what man has done in the midst of beautiful sceneries, and in Bariloche in many parts you can see nature it in its primitive state, practically untouched. This is the case of Puerto Blest, where an hotel room including dinner and breakfast costs some 20 to 25 Dollars per day.

When you go to Puerto Blest, you only find a small hotel (14 rooms), the park rangerÂŽs house, the coast guard offices, the camping, and nothing else. You are in the midst of the forest, and at the side of a beautiful lake, bordered by mountains covered with snow. There is no road for getting there from Bariloche, you have to navigate the Nahuel HuapĂ­ lake and the navigation to get there is pure pleasure. When you get up in Summer at 5 in the morning, you can walk along the lake over or under fallen trees, see the wildlife and trout jumping out of the water, and after walking one hour or so you reach some incredibly beautiful waterfalls (Los CĂĄntaros). You may walk an hour or two without crossing a single person in the track in the midst of the woods.

Bariloche is beautiful. Just have a look at this page. Click on the photos to enlarge them, or go to the main page for a more complete explanation:

http://www.interpatagonia.com/bariloche/fotos_i.html

Enjoy it!

Robert Ingledew



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I would take advantage of this deal, if I lived in the USA Jul 11, 2003

I occasionally write on Argentina in the www.about.com forums. In this site I found a very interesting deal for visiting Buenos Aires. You will find it in this page:

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/library/bldealspage.htm?terms=South%20America%20for%20Visitors

If I were you, I would start packing my cases...

Regards.

Robert Ingledew


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The Train to the Clouds in Northwestern Argentina Jul 11, 2003

The Train to the Clouds is one of the highest railways in the world, reaching an altitude of 13,000 feet. It is an engineering marvel (see article in the link), and crosses places of incredible beauty.

This is not the only tourist attraction in the Provinces of TucumĂĄn, Salta and Jujuy. There are many beautiful places to see: Cachi and Cafayate in Salta, Humahuaca in Jujuy, Tafi del Valle in TucumĂĄn, are some of the most beautiful. And after the last devaluation, Argentina is a real bargain for foreign tourists. Here is the railway. Enjoy it.

http://www.austral.addr.com/train/

Regards from Mar del Plata, Argentina.


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Puerto Madryn: whales, penguins, sea lions and more... Jul 18, 2003

PUERTO MADRYN AND PENÍNSULA VALDEZ, DECLARED PATRIMONY OF HUMANITY BY THE UNESCO, AND SANCTUARY OF WHALES, PENGUINS, SEA LIONS AND SEALS

Puerto Madryn was also the home of Welsh colonization in Argentina, and there still are nearby towns, like Gaiman, that are preeminently Welsh.

Every September the whales arrive to breed. South of here is Punta Tombo a sancTuary of penguins with a population that varies from half a million to over one million penguins, depending on the season of the year.

From Puerto Madryn (or Trelew, which is very near) there are direct flights to Buenos Aires, Calafate (the glaciers aea), Ushuaia (the southernmost city of the World), Bariloche (the South American Switzerland), and Mendoza (the highest mountains of the American Continent)

Here it is

http://www.interpatagonia.com/puertomadryn/fotos_i.html

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The Valley of the Moon and Talampaya Jul 21, 2003

These are Arizona type sceneries, although I would not dare to compare them with the Great Canyon. However, both are beautiful places to visit, and both have a great archaeological and palentological importance.

This is the link for the Valley of the Moon:

http://www.austral.addr.com/moonvalley/

And this is the link for Talampaya:
http://www.austral.addr.com/talampaya/

Enjoy them.

Robert Ingledew


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The incredible luxury Suite Sleeping bus services in Argentina: super comfort for dimes. Jul 23, 2003

I travelled on one of these last night (first time in my lifetime) and am amazed at the comfort they offer. I leaned back the seat completely flat and found it uncomfortable (because I normally sleep with two pillows) so I brought it up a little. It was so comfortable that I woke up when they lit the lights; I was already at Mar del Plata. The five hour and a half trip had passed practically unnoticed...

The names the different bus companies in Argentina give to this service vary a lot,and this could be confusing, so here are some of them:

Coche cama suite (Suite bus) (Argentina, Plusmar, Flecha Bus) Buenos Aires to Mar del Plata. Here it is (first photo on the left)
http://www.plusmar.com.ar/html/f_tipos.html

Tutto Leto (VĂ­a Bariloche, VĂ­a Misiones) Buenos Aires and Mar del Plata to Bariloche and Buenos Aires to IguazĂș. Here it is (second photo on the right hand):
http://www.viabariloche.com/servicios.php3

Servicio de Primera Clase (Andesmar) Buenos Aires to Mendoza. This is the bus:
http://www.andesmar.com.ar/1°Clase.htm
However, the standard services of Andesmar are not better than similar standard services of other companies, so make sure to request the first class service, or at least their "coche cama" (sleeping coach).

Cama Total (Expreso Singer) Buenos aires to IguazĂș.

As you may see, in Argentina bus services can offer luxury comfort for dimes, if you choose the right class of service...

The cost varies a lot: it is far more expensive from Buenos Aires to Mar del Plata (4 cents of a dollar per kilometer or 6.5 cents per mile, with no meals on board, only a very small snack,) from Buenos Aires to IguazĂș you only pay some 30 Us Dollars for nearly one thousand miles (2.5 cents of a Dollar per kilometer or 4 cents per mile, including movies, blanket, pillow, hot meals on board, wine, whisky and champagne.

Normal bus services are only 20 per cent cheaper, so I would not incur in the mistake of saving money on my bus travel...

Welcome to Argentina. If you donÂŽt come now with these bargains, you probably never will.. Take advantage of the exchange rate, while it lasts...

Regards from Mar del Plata.

Robert Ingledew

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USHUAIA, THE SOUTHERNMOST CITY OF THE WORLD Jul 27, 2003

I visited this town for the first time when it was still a village with 3,000 inhabitants, now it has 50,000, so just imagine how many years I have been in the translation business...

Ushuaia is a beautiful city, practically closed in between the mountains and the sea, it is a place for only staying 3 or 4 days, and combining this tour with a visit to El Calafate (the National Glaciers Park, there are direct flights from Ushuaia to Calafate), and if you have enought time available, for continuing from there to Bariloche.

Hotels are expensive here, you might have to pay as much as 50 Dollars for a single room, but if you check prices on the internet, you may get a better deal. By comparison, a single room in Bariloche costs about 15 Dollars per night, and less than that in Mar del Plata.

Here is Ushuaia. Enjoy it:

http://www.interpatagonia.com/ushuaia/index_i.html

Follow the link to the photo gallery, there are many beautiful things to see.

Have a nice day.

Robert Ingledew

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La Cumbrecita, a German settlement in Central Argentina Jul 30, 2003

La Cumbrecita was founded by German people (the same as Villa General Belgrano, which is some 25 miles away), and until today its architecture is typically Alpine. It is surrounded by foothills, has a very nice forestation, and it is the only town with "only walking" streets I am aware of in Argentina. You are only allowed to drive a car for checking in and out of the hotel. The rest of the time you have to walk, or go for a horse ride.

It is very nice, rather more expensive than other tourist destinations in CĂłrdoba, Argentina, but it is the ideal place for a good rest.

Here it is:

http://www.champaqui.com.ar/011/Imagen230.jpg

Enjoy it.

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THE IBERA MARSHES IN ARGENTINA: WILDLIFE AT ITS BEST Jul 31, 2003

I became aware of the importance of these wetlands many years ago, but became more acquainted with them when I translated into English tne Environmental Impact Evaluation of a power transmission line that was to cross the area. It is the second largest wildlife sanctuary in South America, after Pantanal (Brazil/Paraguay).

It is practically an untouched area, with yacarés (the South American crocodile), the wetland deer, dorados (a member of the salmon family, also called the tiger of the rivers), some 350 species of birds, and much more. I would call it the Pantanal of Argentina. It is located some 200 miles away from the cities of Corrientes and Posadas. Here it is:

http://www.naturephotography.net/ibera.html

Being a protected area, it might be difficult to find a place where to stay in the area, but taxis are very cheap in Argentina (I recently paid less than 20 Dollars for a 100 mile round trip), so you might want to go and see it for yourself... In any case, I imagine that some type of arrangement can be made to visit the area.
I have read that the National Park Rangers sometimes accompany the visitors throughout the area on their boats.

Enjoy it.



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VILLA CARLOS PAZ - CENTRAL ARGENTINA FOR BUDGET TRAVELERS Aug 5, 2003

Please see the next posting.

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VILLA CARLOS PAZ - CENTRAL ARGENTINA FOR BUDGET TRAVELERS Aug 5, 2003

The Province of CĂłrdoba is not the most beautiful destination of Argentina, but it is very nice, and is the cheapest destination after Mar del Plata. You can buy an all-inclusive one week tour from Buenos Aires to Carlos Paz for less than one hundred US Dollars, and that includes the round trip on the bus, the hotel, breakfast, lunch and dinner (drinks are not included).

It has a very nice climate, rather warm in the summer and mild in the winter.

From here you have direct buses to IguazĂș, Bariloche, Mendoza, Buenos Aires and most of the tourist centers of Argentina. CĂłrdoba has an international airport, and at least Lan Chile and AerolĂ­neas Argentinas arrive here.

Here you have some photos of Villa Carlos Paz, where a good 2 star hotel may be costing some 7 US Dollars per night. Enjoy it.

http://www.argentinaturistica.com/informa/vcpifotos.htm
http://www.ruta0.com/img.asp?i=692

Here are some hotel prices,IN PESOS. To have the equivalent in US Dollars, divide by 2.88. The most expensive hotel in town is costing 35 US Dollars per person for double or triple occupancy and the Hotel Taormina, 3 stars, quite nice, is costing 12 US Dollars per night, including dinner and breakfast.

But you can get better rates if you negotiate them at the front desk.

http://www.e-mountain.com.ar/Punilla/VCPaz.htm

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Tango lessons in Buenos Aires, week-ends in ranches, spanish lessons in Argentina and more Aug 9, 2003

I just received this information last night in my E-mail, found it quite interesting and thought I would like to share it with you.

There are many different deals: Spanish lessons and tango lessons in Argentina, week-ends in ranches or farms, horse riding in Northern Argentina and more. Here it is:

http://www.alojargentina.com/promos.html

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EL CHALTEN / FITZ ROY: A CHALLENGE FOR MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS Aug 19, 2003

I have been told that it is one of the 3 most difficult mountains to climb in the whole world, although I have no way of knowing if this is true, but I was impressed by the rocky walls. And I was surprised to see that about 80% of the tourists here were European: British, French, Spanish, Austrian... you name them, there they are...

The scenery is beautiful. The village is small: it has a permanent population of 140 inhabitants, and there is only one bus per day from and to El Calafate. This town was created some 15 years ago, when there was a serious difference with Chile regarding the international limits, which could have ended in a war, but this problem belongs to the past and relations with Chile are now excellent. The Fitz Roy mountain is at a walking distance from the town. However, if you want to climb the Fitz Roy or the Torre mountain, one day may not be enough.

Only one warning: climate changes very rapidly in this area and a storm, or strong winds, may come up at any time. So keep your eyes open and go with adequate clothing and equipment. Protect your camcorders with a case or something. I ruined my camcorder over there. A strong wind came up suddenly (75 miles per hour) and filled my camcorder with sand and small stones.

Hostelling International has hotels here at reasonable rates (in general, in this part of Argentina hotels tend to be more expensive than in other areas). For some 20 to 30 dollars you should be able to get a room with private bathroom.

El Chaltén is some150 miles North of El Calafate. On the road you will also see some glaciers (specially the Viedma glacier). I would also recommend the tour from here to Laguna del Desierto.

Here it is:

http://www.interpatagonia.com/elchalten/fotos_i.html

Enjoy it.

Robert Ingledew


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