Off topic: Have you, as a senior translator, ever felt the new generations are kind of arrogant?
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Susana C.  Identity Verified
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Hello,

Have you, as a senior translator, ever felt the new generations are kind of arrogant? Or is it just me?

I mean, not only in translation, it happens in other fields too, but I sometimes find myself being given "advice" or "recommendations" on what's best for me or the way I should do things by much younger people, who have a much shorter experience in any working field, let alone in life.

"If you want people to take you seriously you should do this o
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Hello,

Have you, as a senior translator, ever felt the new generations are kind of arrogant? Or is it just me?

I mean, not only in translation, it happens in other fields too, but I sometimes find myself being given "advice" or "recommendations" on what's best for me or the way I should do things by much younger people, who have a much shorter experience in any working field, let alone in life.

"If you want people to take you seriously you should do this or that"... "In order to apply to this offer you need to have this or that and don't bother in applying if you do not meet this criteria"... The tone, the energy that comes from them and the way they present themselves before you. And you check their profiles and they are just recently college graduated kids with zero experience and a whole lot of pride.

Very often it doesn't matter anymore the way your resume looks like, or the years of experience you've got on your back, it's just little silly things on your profile or even in the way you express yourself that can put you out of the competition.

Are these the professionals of the future? The managers, the bosses, the counselors of the future?

Something is very wrong with these new generations.
Please, prove me wrong...
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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I'll answer in 30 years' time Nov 6

Susana C. wrote:
Have you, as a senior translator...


Oh, wait, I can't answer this yet.


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Susana C.  Identity Verified
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What about experienced translator, instead of senior? Nov 6

Samuel Murray wrote:

Oh, wait, I can't answer this yet.


You can still answer Samuel, if you do have some experience on the topic. You don't look senior but you certainly don't look like a college kid.

Thanks a lot anyway.


 

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Yes, definitely, but... Nov 6

...I'm sure they thought the same way about me 30 years ago. Not that they were always right, of course

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It is a very silly fish that is easily caught once again with the same silly bait Nov 7

While it took me a while to get the ropes, yet I'm glad there's a man who made a sobering remark:
Ok, your English may be better than the others' now and here, but even a dirty beggar in the USA can speak and write much better English, so what?
Soon I understood a real specialty is a must as a major, then come business and communication skills, whereas foreign language skills is just a nice bonus--as a minor.

 I learnt about "pure" translators and bottom-feeders no-businesspersons who tend to easily fell victims to hypes, fake trust, false hopes, and unsubstantiated demands. At first I felt rather old, bitter, and helpless when I saw and read about another such case, but I did realize some people must learn it the hard way--it's their well-deserved right to have a harsh lesson... and rehearsals.

And now I almost don't smile encountering the same old questions a zillionth time)


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... if you want to test a man's character, ... Nov 7

... give him power.
[Abraham Lincoln]


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Kay Denney  Identity Verified
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. Nov 7

I think this is partly fuelled by the fact that youngsters do have a techie edge over many of us. For example, I took a long time to adopt mobile phones so I've needed my kids' help setting up accounts and apps and background pictures for example.
My son recently told me my LinkedIn profile could be improved on. He suggested, to start with, adding a statement about where I was hoping to go career-wise. He has a neat-sounding statement on his, it does look slick and gives the impression th
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I think this is partly fuelled by the fact that youngsters do have a techie edge over many of us. For example, I took a long time to adopt mobile phones so I've needed my kids' help setting up accounts and apps and background pictures for example.
My son recently told me my LinkedIn profile could be improved on. He suggested, to start with, adding a statement about where I was hoping to go career-wise. He has a neat-sounding statement on his, it does look slick and gives the impression that he's smart and ambitious (and indeed though I says it as shouldn't, he is very smart).
For my profile, I wouldn't know what to put, in that I have absolutely no ambitions left, apart from maybe weeding out a couple of clients and raising my rates. I'm more or less where I want to be career-wise, whereas he has just started his first "real" job and is brimming with ambition to learn new stuff and get promoted.
I just told him that a fantastic agency (who send the kind of work I love, and are well organised and pleasant, and pay bang on time every month) just found me a few months ago via LinkedIn, so my profile can't be that bad. I think my experience speaks for itself, no need for anything else really.
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Susana C.  Identity Verified
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I agree, but I mean something else Nov 7

Kay Denney wrote:

I think this is partly fuelled by the fact that youngsters do have a techie edge over many of us. For example, I took a long time to adopt mobile phones so I've needed my kids' help setting up accounts and apps and background pictures for example.
My son recently told me my LinkedIn profile could be improved on. He suggested, to start with, adding a statement about where I was hoping to go career-wise. He has a neat-sounding statement on his, it does look slick and gives the impression that he's smart and ambitious (and indeed though I says it as shouldn't, he is very smart).


Thank you, Kay, but I think we are talking about different things here. We all need to keep learning and there is always ways to improve our profiles, or the way we present ourselves to others, and there is always new things to learn. It might be of interest to be helped by somebody who knows better than you do, it's true. As per the technology part I agree with you a 100%. A 12-year old taught me how to open and use WhatsApp Web, but he was kind and fun about it, not arrogant. And that's my point, the tone and arrogance that they use, which is completely out of place.

Thanks a lot!
Susana


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Not really Nov 7

I mean, there are theories about the millenials being disinterested or maybe blasé about certain things, but speaking from recent experience, can't say that they are any more arrogant than earlier generations. I met some young people at a photography course recently, and my farriers are both very young, and I'd say they were actually quite sober and even a little more immature than my colleagues were at the same age.

The arrogance I tend to notice (now that I am older myself) has
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I mean, there are theories about the millenials being disinterested or maybe blasé about certain things, but speaking from recent experience, can't say that they are any more arrogant than earlier generations. I met some young people at a photography course recently, and my farriers are both very young, and I'd say they were actually quite sober and even a little more immature than my colleagues were at the same age.

The arrogance I tend to notice (now that I am older myself) has more to do with the way clients treat you if you are not part of a big corporation or business. Business etiquette, in particular, seems to have suffered recently. But maybe this is just my impression, something that you tend to notice only by comparison and once you have met and interacted with a lot of people professionally. People you may not have bothered with in the past. But, you know, it's all part of the fun. And as Tom Standage puts it, curiosity is the royal road to truth.
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All I can say is..... Nov 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3edtd9AkWg

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Old man yells at cloud… Nov 7

They [young people] have exalted notions, because they have not yet been humbled by life or learnt its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things — and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning; and whereas reasoning leads us to choose what is useful, moral goodness leads us to choose what is noble. (...) All their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. (...) They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it; this, in fact, is why they overdo everything.


Rhethoric, Aristotle, 4th century BCE (translation by W. Rhys Roberts).


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Not really Nov 7

I think this is a generalisation. Some people are just arrogant, it has nothing to do with their age or generation. Most of the younger translators I meet or deal with are not like this at all.

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Like any generation, it's a mixed bag Nov 8

I've met lots of "green" translators. Some are very humble (even TOO humble) and some definitely overestimate their value and abilities. Even amongst experienced and senior translators, there are some who are realistic about who they are and what they offer, and some who romanticise their work too much or think they've got all the answers without realising that they haven't stayed current with the times. Case in point, as a project manager I once had a discussion with a senior translator about t... See more
I've met lots of "green" translators. Some are very humble (even TOO humble) and some definitely overestimate their value and abilities. Even amongst experienced and senior translators, there are some who are realistic about who they are and what they offer, and some who romanticise their work too much or think they've got all the answers without realising that they haven't stayed current with the times. Case in point, as a project manager I once had a discussion with a senior translator about translation tools. He was upset because I couldn't take him on for a project that absolutely needed a CAT tool (he didn't use any CAT tools). He went on a rant about how he's got all these customised macros he uses in Word -- things that essentially do what a CAT tool would have done, but worse because a CAT tool would have been more productive, consistent and efficient. He just could not understand how dated he sounded, waxing lyrical about the wonders of Microsoft Word as if no one had ever really heard of it.

So it's a mixed bag, which is the case for every generation. That said, I hear from my colleagues in the agency world that fresh hires these days do seem to be more arrogant and entitled. They expect all sorts of things from their employer as a matter of course that would have been considered special perks 10 years ago. A friend told me, "Sometimes I just want to tell these kids to suck it up. Grow up, realise that their boss is not their mother. Oh dear, am I getting old?"

I suspect these things are not new and every generation goes through this phase.
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Ageism Nov 8

The ageism expressed in the OP (old vs. young) is part of a mindset that is dying out. Young people today face enormous problems and we who are older should seek to understand that.

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