Off topic: Tower of Babel? Any examples of places where diverse people get along?
Thread poster: Jacek Krankowski
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A play I saw last night (http://www.proz.com/?sp=bb/viewtopic&topic=6187&forum=16&1) makes me wonder: Are places like theatre or academia, i.e. a sophisticated reality, or ProZ, i.e. a virtual reality, just about the only places on earth where people of various nationalities can (relatively) peacefully co-exist? Characters in the above (utopian) play spoke Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, English and Italian and killing each other was not what they had in mind. Do you know areas where people who speak different languages and do not carry the same passport or green card live together and do not hate each other?



I was recently struck by the comment that the historical reason for the proverbial brotherhood of Poles and Hungarians is that the two nations have never shared a border, so that they could not engage in the primary human activity which is war.



Something to think about before Remembrance/ Armistice/Veterans Day.


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Aurora Humarán  Identity Verified
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I can think of a place... Nov 8, 2002

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On 2002-11-08 10:35, jacek wrote:

Do you know areas where people who speak different languages and do not carry the same passport or green card live together and do not hate each other?







ProZ.com





Have a nice weekend!

Au

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Nathalie M. Girard, ALHC  Identity Verified
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I second that motion! Nov 8, 2002

Cheers Aurora!



I second that motion 100%



P.s. Jacek, I do not see Proz as a *virtual* reality though... We meet at Pow-Wows, we talk on the phone, this is *real life*.



We just need to find ourselves a little inhabited Island... How about:



\"Proz Island\" (I can already hear someone yelling \"The plane, the plane!!!!!\" in the background hahaha)



Henry, take note!!!



We could all move there, live & work together as teams



Have a wonderful weekend everyone!



Nathalie


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Jacek Krankowski  Identity Verified
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Yes, an island! Nov 8, 2002

That is probably why a group of us (informally referred to as \"Camilleri Fan Club\"), led by Angela Arnone (ita>eng moderator), have proposed Sicily for the next ProZ Convention!



Tonight, I am going to see Materlinck\'s \"The Blind\": \"Twelve faces emerge from the dark foliage of a forest. All of them are blind and immobilised, they cannot move without their guide, who doesn\'t answer any more. And so they talk - to keep away the silence and the anguish.\"



I\'d rather be in Sicily this time of the year!



You all have a great weekend!


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But there\'s a story behind that. When the British left Malaysia, they wanted to guarantee a free port for the Chinese, Indian, British and Malaysian traders who were also under their mandate. So Malaysia was made independent on the condition it would make Singapore independent (geographically it looks artificial, the place is just a speck at the tip of the Malaysian peninsula, but the arrangement works very well.)



As to the argument about Poland and Hungary, I\'ve heard the same about Spain and Germany, who get along quite well... (but the French, the Portuguese and the British have common borders with Spain).





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Arthur Borges
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There's Benin, I think. Nov 8, 2002

...that has a few hundred different languages and might be a suitable object for a direct investigation by our honourable community, especially for an international get-together of one sort or another.
[addsig]


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Klaus Herrmann  Identity Verified
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I think ProZ matches the definition just fine - here, it\'s people who speak the same language who don\'t get along



No, seriously, I love to think that ProZ is a good example of a community where language, nationality, race, gender or whatever do not matter.



But as Jacek named this thread ›Tower of Babel‹, did it occur to anyone that our profession might be considered ungodly? (Just a philosophical question, not a religious one.)


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Jacek Krankowski  Identity Verified
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To Klaus Nov 8, 2002

...ungodly, because we usurp the right to create and even claim copyright protection for that?

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Ungodly? Nov 8, 2002

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On 2002-11-08 15:48, Klaus Herrmann wrote:

No, seriously, I love to think that ProZ is a good example of a community where language, nationality, race, gender or whatever do not matter.



But as Jacek named this thread ›Tower of Babel‹, did it occur to anyone that our profession might be considered ungodly? (Just a philosophical question, not a religious one.)





Isn\'t there a part of the scriptures where the good guys \"spoke in tongues\"?





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Overcoming the Babel effect Nov 8, 2002

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On 2002-11-08 16:06, jacek wrote:

...ungodly, because we usurp the right to create and even claim copyright protection for that?





Ungodly because we\'re helping to overcome those barriers imposed on mankind.



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On 2002-11-08 16:13, Parrot wrote:



Isn\'t there a part of the scriptures where the good guys \"spoke in tongues\"?









OK, so interpreting is covered then.

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I knew I wasn't a Saint! Nov 9, 2002

What I had not realized is that this was connected to my work





As for Proz ... I have experienced similar feelings in other communities before and I believe one of the things that makes it easier to get on together is the fact that communication is in written ... Tempos are not the same. Another fact is that we don\'t have to live physically with one another. You can always disconenct your PC and Proz World disappears.



I like the idea of conquering a piece of land and creating a Proz Island


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Jacek Krankowski  Identity Verified
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Patricia, Nov 9, 2002

\"conquering\" might not augur well for the project. What do you think?





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Przemysław Szkodziński  Identity Verified
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ProZ Island, dream or nightmare? Nov 10, 2002

We should buy a tropic island, form a community where everyone is living in peace and harmony , and everyone understands what the other one is talking about (or even if someone wouldn\'t understand, someone else would translate it for him/her ).

Everyone in the world would want to live in such place, everyone would want to know all languages...

Grrr, nightmare



In my opinion different languages even help to keep the world from breaking, becouse if everyone would understand what everyone else is saying, then the conflicts would sprung up like \"rabbits with a mission\".



Translators help keep the balance . Let\'s leave it like that.


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Jacek Krankowski  Identity Verified
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Keeping balance Nov 11, 2002

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On 2002-11-10 11:00, PrzeSzkoda wrote:



Let\'s leave it like that.





I think we will. Special thanks to Ceci and Arthur for suggesting Singapore and Benin for our next destinations.

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