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Poll: What kind of Training would you like to attend?
Thread poster: ProZ.com Staff
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May 16, 2008

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Daniel Bird  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
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German to English
Two weeks... May 16, 2008

...intensive snowboarding in Japan


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Oleg Osipov  Identity Verified
Russian Federation
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English to Russian
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Cat May 16, 2008

I would prefer Cat Tools training, though my cat does not need training at all.

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Mohammed Abdelaal Ahmed
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localization May 16, 2008

I would like to attend an extensive training on all aspects/fields of software localization

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Renée Lizotte  Identity Verified
Spain
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Subtitling, Marketing, CAT Tools May 16, 2008

Actually, there are several things that I'd like to learn, so I would mark more than one option. I'd like to learn more about marketing myself in order to attract direct clients in my field, CAT tools (although I already use Wordfast), and I would especially love to learn how to do subtitling.

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xanthippe  Identity Verified
France
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interpreting May 16, 2008

hello ! I would like to attend an interpreting training

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Ricardo Pereira  Identity Verified
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Other May 16, 2008

I would attend all of them... and some more. But I think I would especially like to devellop my marketing skills and to know more on getting established.

Cheers, Ricardo
rmpereira


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Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
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CAT tools; DTP; back office software, in fact ALL software May 16, 2008

How many things does one have to be expert in to be a competent translator? Translation skills seem to be the thin end of the wedge.

I need a website, a blog, Skype, Messenger, Paypal, DTP skills, I need to know all the office software inside-out. I need to know all about backups, archiving, toolboxes, streaming, file sharing, tag editors, ...

I reckon I'm OK on the translating side of things, but I'm on the wrong side of 50 and the rest of the job is really, really hard.

I would appreciate training from a translator's viewpoint, eg: I don't need to know all the ins-and-outs of putting together a Powerpoint presentation, but I need to know how to get at the text to translate it and give it back to the client in the same format.


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xxxLia Fail  Identity Verified
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core skills in 3rd/4th position May 16, 2008

Sheila Wilson wrote:
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Translation skills seem to be the thin end of the wedge.



Yeah, I'm a bit surprised that our core skill is rated as 3rd. I'm also not SO surprised, as I've rarely edited a good translation, so much so I don't any more, although I do edit huge amounts of non-native authors (I guess the "fraud" perpetrated by "translators" just got to me ...).

So now I see, the priority is to learn CAT not to learn to write.


Sheila Wilson wrote:
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I reckon I'm OK on the translating side of things, but I'm on the wrong side of 50 and the rest of the job is really, really hard.




Are you sure? I'm not pointing at you personally, but I, in my experience, feel that few translators are truly, truly introspective about their core skill - writing, to the point where the blind spot is so massively huge that you see portfolio entries that are horrendous and links to websites with awful text (for example, the LAST thing I would do, as a person sensitive to language - and especially the language I write - would be to link to a website that is extremely unlikely to be in impeccable EN (or whatever) for a number of reasons, NONE of which are under my control...


Sheila Wilson wrote:
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I need a website, a blog, Skype, Messenger, Paypal, DTP skills, I need to know all the office software inside-out. I need to know all about backups, archiving, toolboxes, streaming, file sharing, tag editors, ...




I l(try to) learn things as I go, but of that list I don't see what matters ... yet I have work to early June, and almost always have 2-4 weeks work in hand. I focus on keeping life simple, doing jobs I like, in formats I like, for the price I like, for an availability that suits, etc etc




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xxxInterlangue
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Writing and languages May 17, 2008

I agree with Lia Fail. "Speed" and "technology" get their fair share of training courses. Writing skills are not as frequently the subject of seminars or courses, especially the "non literature" type.

Languages would be another topic. Not necessarily a new one but their evolution, slang, colloquial, etc.


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Maya Gorgoshidze  Identity Verified
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Translation Project Management May 17, 2008

What about Translation Project Management training courses for freelancers and/or for agencies?

Regards,
Maya


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John Cutler  Identity Verified
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Good philosophy May 17, 2008

Lia Fail wrote:

I l(try to) learn things as I go, but of that list I don't see what matters ... yet I have work to early June, and almost always have 2-4 weeks work in hand. I focus on keeping life simple, doing jobs I like, in formats I like, for the price I like, for an availability that suits, etc etc


Amen


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B D Finch  Identity Verified
France
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Concentrate on what matters! May 17, 2008

Lia Fail wrote:


Are you sure? I'm not pointing at you personally, but I, in my experience, feel that few translators are truly, truly introspective about their core skill - writing, to the point where the blind spot is so massively huge that you see portfolio entries that are horrendous and links to websites with awful text (for example, the LAST thing I would do, as a person sensitive to language - and especially the language I write - would be to link to a website that is extremely unlikely to be in impeccable EN (or whatever) for a number of reasons, NONE of which are under my control...



Yes, and given the evidence of really unskilled pseudo translation, I am concerned at how, through ProZ itself, we seem to be helping a few people, who are not linguists at all, to establish themselves as translators. Part of the definition of a profession is that it exercises control over entry in order to maintain professional standards. This should go hand-in-hand with helping people to attain and maintain those professional standards. So, writing skills in our target languages and specialist areas and knowledge of our source languages should always be prioritised over IT and marketing.


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Erzsébet Czopyk  Identity Verified
Hungary
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TPM training May 17, 2008

Maya Gorgoshidze wrote:

What about Translation Project Management training courses for freelancers and/or for agencies?

Regards,
Maya


I think my PM Adam is a perfect person to do that.


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Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
Spain
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Entirely agree May 18, 2008

Lia Fail wrote:
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised that our core skill is rated as 3rd. I'm also not SO surprised, as I've rarely edited a good translation, so much so I don't any more, although I do edit huge amounts of non-native authors (I guess the "fraud" perpetrated by "translators" just got to me ...).


Yes, I entirely agree. We (and I include myself) should learn to translate better. For tools, a one-day training for each main tool is usually enough, but in the case of translation you never learn enough. I must admit that I rarely have time for training, but my first priority is becoming a better translator, not a better user of translation tools.


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