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Poll: After delivering a translation, do you ever get frustrated with the edits/choices of the reviser?
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This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "After delivering a translation, do you ever get frustrated with the edits/choices of the reviser?".

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Chris S  Identity Verified
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Rarely/always Sep 30, 2016

My work is rarely revised

When it is, the revisions are always frustrating

They just can't handle my genius I guess


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Teresa Borges
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Hardly ever! Sep 30, 2016

I have an arrangement with a trusted colleague (we worked in-house together for 20 years) where we proofread each other's work. We know each other quite well and we both respect each other’s work. I for one have learned a lot with her revisions. Hope the same has happened with her...

Over the years, I have also built a good working relationship with a Proz.com member who revises my work for a translation agency. On the very rare occasions, I haven’t agreed with something (the agency always sends me the revised text), we have discussed and solved the "issue" together either by e-mail or by telephone.

Happy International Translation Day to all!

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neilmac  Identity Verified
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Hardly ever Sep 30, 2016

However, this may be because most of the texts I translate or revise/post edit don't get checked thoroughly after delivery, as most of my clients are direct and take it for granted that the texts delivered are already suitable for publication... or whatever else they want them for.
Last week, one agency I occasionally work with queried the use of the word "tridimensional"; I told them it was synonymous with three-dimensional and they were quite happy. It cheered me up to know that they were actually checking out the text and not just treating it as gospel.


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Andris Dinaburgskis  Identity Verified
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Almost never Sep 30, 2016

In fact, at the moment of delivery I can always evaluate the quality of my work, so I can be frustrated either immediately or never.

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Muriel Vasconcellos  Identity Verified
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Yes Sep 30, 2016

I don't often see what happens to my work, as I mainly work for direct clients, but when the reviser's changes are shown to me, I'm either frustrated that he/she didn't appreciate my style, or frustrated that I missed something that could have been better.

For a while I was translating articles from scientific journals for an agency. I found that the revisers often "dumbed down" the appropriate technical terms in favor of a more casual style, which sometimes even changed the meaning (e.g., changing 'indigenous' to 'native' -- which doesn't even mean the same thing). I gnash my teeth and mutter under my breath: "Don't they realize that the readers expect to see their own vocabulary?"

[Edited at 2016-09-30 09:27 GMT]


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Yetta J Bogarde  Identity Verified
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Hardly ever Sep 30, 2016

Most of my translations get edited/reviewed since most of my clients are agencies.
Some agencies let the translator validate the edits, while some edits I never see.

Mostly I don't worry too much about it, but it has happened once or twice that I got upset and complained big time.

[Edited at 2016-09-30 09:28 GMT]


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Katrin Bosse  Identity Verified
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Yes, often Sep 30, 2016

Andris Dinaburgskis wrote:

In fact, at the moment of delivery I can always evaluate the quality of my work, so I can be frustrated either immediately or never.


The thing is: you can be proud of your work and deliver excellent quality, but along comes a nitwit of a proofreader (who costs the agency next to nothing) and butchers your excellent translation beyond recognition. And then I get asked to evaluate their corrections for free which is double the work for no extra money and such a humungous waste of my time. -- Honestly, I prefer not to see what agency proofreaders have done to my efforts.

Only when I am working in team with my most trusted colleagues on a certain project do I value proofreading input because I know I will profit from it.

[Bearbeitet am 2016-09-30 10:08 GMT]


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ventnai  Identity Verified
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Yes, because ... Sep 30, 2016

I mainly work for German companies and some employees think that they can write better English than I can. Yesterday, I received a "corrected" version of a carefully crafted press release. Not only did the "editor" ruin the rhythm of the piece, but also wanted to add incorrect prepositions and removed others which were needed.

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Gudrun Maydorn  Identity Verified
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I provide the proofreader/reviser Sep 30, 2016

Teresa Borges wrote:
I have an arrangement with a trusted colleague (....) where we proofread each other's work. We know each other quite well and we both respect each other’s work. I for one have learned a lot with her revisions. Hope the same has happened with her...


I cooperate with several trusted colleagues.


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Paulo Caldeira  Identity Verified
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Sorry...did I ear well? Sep 30, 2016

Gudrun Maydorn wrote:

Teresa Borges wrote:
I have an arrangement with a trusted colleague (....) where we proofread each other's work. We know each other quite well and we both respect each other’s work. I for one have learned a lot with her revisions. Hope the same has happened with her...


I cooperate with several trusted colleagues.


I hate when a proofreader (when - several have that - a company use that kind of "monster") works only to show-off and to get the future jobs from the translators.
To me, every single translator is a proofreader and I give to my wife the revision (who is a great English Teacher graduated from Oxford and with a degree from Trinity College)
But I guess I didn't understand this point: you do proofreading between colleagues?

Sorry about the question, but indeed I don't understand this point of view.


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Ana Vozone  Identity Verified
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Sometimes Sep 30, 2016

I sometimes get frustrated and "fight back" (often with success) when clients change my translations. But it is their right.

For some more complex or tedious jobs, I ask "trusted colleagues" to give a final look, and this has worked out very well, always.

I did not understand Paulo Caldeira's comments/question, I think he meant "Did I hear well?", but yes, translators proofread other translators' work, what is there so strange in this practice?


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Barbara Carrara  Identity Verified
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Often Sep 30, 2016

Thank you all for taking part in this poll and for sharing your opinions and feelings.

I see that I am in good company when it comes to seeing eye to eye - to put it mildly - with some newbie revisers who don't know the first thing about reviewing or the rules of style.

A good share of the work I do through an agency is on marketing material for online content and printed matter, and whenever I receive the final texts, more often than not I cringe, when I see how many mistakes have been introduced.

Like Chris, Muriel, Katrin and Ian, I voice my opinion, and spend more (unpaid) time on perfectly good translations, trying to explain each and every blunder.

Meanwhile, the 'revised' versions have made it to the website or the printing room... Aaargh!


[Edited at 2016-09-30 13:49 GMT]


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Gianluca Marras  Identity Verified
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I do not get my translations revised and in any case I do not get any "revised version", I just received some suggestions about preferred terminology a couple of times.
Only one client asks to work in pairs, and I got angry and frustrated with the reviser only once (the revision was such a bunch of useless corrections) and I told the client. I haven't worked with that reviser any more and with the other 2/3 I have never had any problems (and the same for them when I am the reviser).. it is just a matter of correcting what really needs to be corrected and to say it politely and without the idea of "Look I am GOD and your translations sucks"


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Maxi Schwarz
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It doesn't happen because... Oct 1, 2016

.. my clients do not hire revisers. When I do get my work revised, it is by a trusted colleague whose quality and priorities I know. There is one client that hires their own reviser, and that person's work has always been intelligently done.

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