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Poll: If you live in Europe, where do you live?
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Maria Diaconu  Identity Verified
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I live... Nov 10, 2005

...elsewhere in Europe, according to this poll

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GoodWords  Identity Verified
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Can't see results without voting Nov 10, 2005

Since I don't live in Europe, it doesn't make sense for me to vote; that's logical--if there was a "not in Europe" option, it would add "noise" to the data. But it would still be interesting to see the results. Is there a way to view the results of a poll without voting?

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Susana Galilea  Identity Verified
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you should be able to Nov 10, 2005

GoodWords wrote:

Since I don't live in Europe, it doesn't make sense for me to vote; that's logical--if there was a "not in Europe" option, it would add "noise" to the data. But it would still be interesting to see the results. Is there a way to view the results of a poll without voting?


There is a link to view results right below the "vote" button, at least on my screen... speaking of which, nice seeing your face, Ms. GoodWords

Susana Galilea
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GoodWords  Identity Verified
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Aha! the elusive "View results" button Nov 10, 2005

Susana Galilea wrote:
There is a link to view results right below the "vote" button, at least on my screen


THX! Odd how one can see something dozens of times but still fail to notice an essential detail. I must be sure to apply the lesson from this when I am proofreading.


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Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Some explanation Nov 10, 2005

The previous poll asked about the continent where you live - and an outstanding 70% of respondents picked Europe.
So I thought it would be interesting to know the rough geographical breakdown within Europe.
It would have made more sense to create more categories, but the number of categories in any poll is limited to 8. I am sorry for any feelings hurt by the "elsewhere in Europe" option.
Csaba


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Parrot  Identity Verified
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I'm still mulling over that poll Nov 10, 2005

Csaba Ban wrote:

The previous poll asked about the continent where you live - and an outstanding 70% of respondents picked Europe.


It showed we had the highest number of suppliers. But wouldn't that be because we possibly have the highest number of consumers?

Probably the underlying question is, where are the clients?

(And I note I'm still in the majority on this poll - so it can't be a population factor. Or is it? I mean, how can the combined weight of Spain, Portugal and Italy... or is it our late nights, and everyone else has signed off?)


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Özden Arıkan  Identity Verified
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Precisely Nov 11, 2005


Parrot wrote

... or is it our late nights, and everyone else has signed off?




Morning comes, you'll see Germany climbing high up all of a sudden. Now rest time here. (Me? I grew up in Turkey)


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Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Some thoughts Nov 11, 2005

1. Now I can see that probably I should have included Nordic countries together with Benelux perhaps (although that would be an unusual grouping).

2. A general "Eastern Europe" could have included all countries east of the Finnish, German and Italian speaking area - although I definitely wanted to eliminate the idea of drawing a line along the former Iron Curtain.
Then we would still have the problem of where to categorize Greece, Malta, Cyprus and Turkey. For 50 years after 1945, these countries belonged to the political "West", but historically they belonged to the "East".
So overall, I though that providing the option of "Elsewhere in Europe" would be the most PC solution.

3. Yes, now I can see that it would have been a good idea to split the mediterranean category into an Iberian and and Italian half.

4. Any results may be distorted by the willingness to participate in online polls. Who knows, maybe mediterranean people are more willing to click the button than their more northerly colleagues.

In any case, a quick poll like this, although very far from being scientific, could give an idea on the possible location of a future mega-powwow or conference.

Csaba


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Özden Arıkan  Identity Verified
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It was a good idea, Csaba, Nov 11, 2005

After yesterday's poll, I was also wondering what countries/regions in Europe had the most intensive and active translation life. And I could bet on Germany and Benelux - but you gathered a whole western Mediterranean armada


But more seriously, thanks for this poll. Now, let's try to find out where clients are


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Сергей Лузан
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Elsewhere in Europe Nov 11, 2005

I live in Moscow, Russia. It's high time to find out both where our clients are from and what languages they speak.

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Kimmy
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The majority of us (so far).... Nov 11, 2005

live in the lowest paid part of Europe (AKA ITALY, Spain and the like)


Shall we organise a moev EN MASSE??????

To Beligium say?

Kim

HO Hum, back to my debt collecting and tariff haggling day!


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JackieMcC
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public holiday in France Nov 11, 2005

The low result for France so far may be due to the fact that it is a public holiday here today ....
Jackie


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Parrot  Identity Verified
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'Unscientific' Nov 11, 2005

Csaba Ban wrote:

1. Now I can see that probably I should have included Nordic countries together with Benelux perhaps (although that would be an unusual grouping).


Nordic sounds fine, but not with Benelux; I also think both might need population coefficients, if you take giants like Germany, France and the UK as a basis.

In that event - yes, Özden, I also believe Benelux would have a higher coefficient than many.

2. A general "Eastern Europe" could have included all countries east of the Finnish, German and Italian speaking area - although I definitely wanted to eliminate the idea of drawing a line along the former Iron Curtain.


Reminds me of an SCIC study on the relative state of preparation of T&I services in the incoming 10 EU countries. It turned out the "giant" in that area was Poland (both population-wise and in terms of having prepared service providers).

Then we would still have the problem of where to categorize Greece, Malta, Cyprus and Turkey. For 50 years after 1945, these countries belonged to the political "West", but historically they belonged to the "East".
So overall, I though that providing the option of "Elsewhere in Europe" would be the most PC solution.


Messy area. Greece is an old-timer (in more ways than one), however small its presence. Turkey is another big block with internal minorities, and over here the political divisions (as reflected in the survey parameters) don't necessarily correspond to the linguistic ones. This sort of makes waves.

3. Yes, now I can see that it would have been a good idea to split the mediterranean category into an Iberian and and Italian half.


The main flaw in the premise, as I see it, was combining two majority-demand languages (Spanish and Italian) into a block where all the members have overseas speakers/consumers. It makes for fuzzy reading. I mean, how much of those suppliers' activity is addressed to an internal European market, and how much of it goes elsewhere? This is not a factor you can apply to all the languages we would be dealing with in Europe and the European market.

4. Any results may be distorted by the willingness to participate in online polls. Who knows, maybe mediterranean people are more willing to click the button than their more northerly colleagues.


Because Mediterranean people still don't have frozen fingers in November?

In any case, a quick poll like this, although very far from being scientific, could give an idea on the possible location of a future mega-powwow or conference.


Er... not to commit anyone, let's think about that

PS: By population coefficient, I'm referring to service provider/speaker ratio, for instance, as it is calculated in the EU. It's possible to define this globally, or by territory. The problem with doing this on proz.com is, to be exact, you'll have to go by combination.

But if mere internet presence is a valid indicator (as in, for instance, the question of meetings and conferences), it can be done.

[Edited at 2005-11-11 10:59]


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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I was just feeling impressed about how MANY we were in the Nordic/Baltic area! Nov 11, 2005

Scandinavia takes up a lot of space on the map, but you do have to remember that the rest of Europe is generally far more densely populated. The entire population of Denmark is slightly over 5 million - less than Greater Birmingham or some of the other big cities of Europe.

I think the population of Norway is slightly smaller, and Sweden around 12 million, (Compare London?) while the three Baltic countries have between 1.5 and 3 million each. Finland fits somewhere in the middle. Please forgive and correct me if I'm wrong - I have NO head for figures and have NOT checked these figures anywhere

The next interesting exercise would be to weight the number of Proz.com members against the population of the area... But we all have work to do!

Interesting poll... Have a nice weekend when you get that far!


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