Poll: Have the CAT tool translation memories impaired your own human memory?
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Aurora Humarán  Identity Verified
Argentina
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... Aug 10, 2006

I don't remember.



Au


ps: no, they haven't.


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Claudia Alvis  Identity Verified
Peru
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Too slow Aug 10, 2006

Aurora Humarán wrote:

I don't remember.



Au


ps: no, they haven't.



I was gonna suggest that as a 6th option but I was too slow.

I also answered 'Not at all'.


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Vicky Shelton  Identity Verified
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Laziness, maybe? Aug 10, 2006

When I use trados I know I do not have to remember how I translated something, because I can check it. And even months later if I translate something for the same client I still can find it again easily. This is not true if I do not use trados, which is why even if not requested I usually use trados. After having spent hours trying to find the exact term I do not want to have to do it all over again. I write each memory next to the translation I am working on, because I generally can remember the client when I find the "difficult" term again but can't remember what memory I was using.
When I do not use trados (pdf files) I have to be much more careful, and make glossaries, jot down the exact words etc.


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claudia bagnardi  Identity Verified
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What bugs me is Aug 10, 2006

that sometimes - only sometimes- when I'm translating at "full speed" and I run into a difficult/unusual term, I start thinking sort of "Oh, I know this one. It starts with an "M" (so to say)", but before trying harder, I go to the CAT tools and there I find it. Yes, it started with an M, but I could have figured out by myself the whole word because I knew it.

However, when I'm making the newspaper's crosswords, I realize my mind is fully focused and I take my time to find the right word.

So I thought that perhaps it was a consequence of relying too much on CAT tools while translating. A wild guess.

As per the results of the poll so far, this does not seem to happen to you.

Mmmm. Guess I need some rest...

C'mon, tell me the truth...be good...:lol:

Claudia


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Textklick  Identity Verified
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Cybermemory Aug 10, 2006

For better or worse, Kudoz indicates that there are possibly more than one translations of a given term.

As for TMs - three key considerations :

1. Context - you can sometimes check and ignore what went before, in order to avoid unnecessary repetition (notably in marketing material)

2. Consistency and customer preferences, when they have a terminology list/TM that is "carved in stone". Can I be expected to remember their particular preferences?

3. You can sometimes win "brownie points" by telling your customer that their TM is crap and offer to clean it for them.

I think that all in all, the most important aspect of a TM is really consistency.

Nevertheless, after a day of bouncing languages it can be a problem in you mother tongue. I can remember asking a friend one evening: "Oh yes, as you mention that, it reminds me. I also need to get one of those - err - umm - what are they called? (I had the German expression in my head).

Response: "I thought you were a linguist?"

Gimme the crossword!

Ever happen to you?

Chris




[Edited at 2006-08-10 23:13]


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Reed James
Chile
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It all depends on how you use CAT TMs Aug 11, 2006

I have always belived that CAT Tools are an aid--not a crutch. I am used to translating without them because more often than not, I am sent poorly-scanned faxes which force me to type in Word.

I would compare this phenomenon to an airplane pilot's use of autopilot. As a passenger, you wouldn't mind if he or she used it as an aid, but if he or she did not know how to fly the airplane without it, you would probably feel a need for concern.

In short, my human memory is the master memory.

Reed


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
United States
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Not at all Aug 11, 2006

Human memory still works perfectly well and grows with every passing day, no CATS needed.

Now where did I put my damned glasses?

That's what I have a problem with. But at least I can work without them, but you don't want me driving without them...


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Pilar T. Bayle  Identity Verified
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Not at all... Aug 11, 2006

My memory was already compromised before CAT tools. The only thing CAT tools are good for me are as a repository of words. Instead of spending hours (literally!) reresearching some terms, I know those terms are in a specific place. If I didn't have CAT tools, I still would't remember the terminology. So what's new?

P.
www.pbayle.com/blogs-english


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Thomas Pfann  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
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Nice example, Reed Aug 11, 2006

Reed D. James wrote:
I would compare this phenomenon to an airplane pilot's use of autopilot. As a passenger, you wouldn't mind if he or she used it as an aid, but if he or she did not know how to fly the airplane without it, you would probably feel a need for concern.


I have to agree here. I would be quite concerned. On the other hand, I would be just as concerned if the pilot looked at all the flashing lights, impressive little screens, beautiful buttons and all that technical stuff in the cockpit of his jumbo jet just to annouce: "Nah, I'm not using any of that. After all, I'm the pilot and it's me who's flying. Don't need no auto-pilot."

And just for the records: I went for the 'Not at all' option, although I, too, have my moments*. But I blame it on progressing age

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* One of this moments just happened to me the other week - let me share this with you:

I was working on a translation when I became thirsty for something cold. I went downstairs to get a glass of juice from the fridge. In the kitchen I first took a glass out of the cupboard, then took the juice out of the fridge, poured it into the glass, put the bottle back into the fridge and went back upstairs. Only when I sat in front of the computer again, did I motoce that I had forgotten something - exactly, the glass of juice was still waiting on the kitchen table...

[Edited at 2006-08-11 16:49]


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xxxBrandis
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permanent CAT tool usage Aug 11, 2006

HI !
impairs immediate memory, which is to say one searches for words while may be speaking as Textclick says. But translation has nothing to do with the speech part. Best Brandis


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claudia bagnardi  Identity Verified
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That is the point, Brandis Aug 11, 2006

I had called it "instant memory" first, but wondered whether it was self-expalantory. That is what I'm referring to: Immediate memory, i.e., a "worked out" brain that is capable of finding the right word immediately. I have often heard the expression "the brain is a muscle, the more you make it work the faster it is".

Just as it happens with calculators. Too much reliance on them seems to impair the quick calculating skills.
I tried to find some kind of statistics, but only found that calculators are convenient for students at a certain stage of their education, but not before.


Claudia


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