Personalising machine translation by feeding in translation memories or bilingual files?
Thread poster: Mark Bossanyi

Mark Bossanyi  Identity Verified
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Jun 11, 2019

Does anyone know of a (neural?) machine translation system that I can personalise or train to translate in my own style by feeding in the translation memories or CAT tool bilingual (xliff) files that I have compiled over the years?

[Edited at 2019-06-11 07:02 GMT]

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DZiW (X)
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redundancy Jun 12, 2019

Mark, a modern neural network is a set of factor-weight-possible outcome bruteforcing, usually set at random for a possible/approved solution. Therefore, it must know all the characteristics guessing their non-equal 'importance' weights followed by an individual (constant human-assisted) feedback, which is very limited and inefficient. Shortly, it cannot know for sure what is RIGHT for you in every case/context. While hyped, the "AI" possibilities are rather mediocre nowadays.
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Mark, a modern neural network is a set of factor-weight-possible outcome bruteforcing, usually set at random for a possible/approved solution. Therefore, it must know all the characteristics guessing their non-equal 'importance' weights followed by an individual (constant human-assisted) feedback, which is very limited and inefficient. Shortly, it cannot know for sure what is RIGHT for you in every case/context. While hyped, the "AI" possibilities are rather mediocre nowadays.

Indeed, you can use your lex, complementing such CAT/MT engines as PROMT with your TMs, but no program can properly mimic one's preferences or peculiarities--only guessing by trials and errors. It's more reasonable to prefer specific rule-based MTs, propagating your TM fragments.

Every client/audience requires a certain style. Furthermore, most translation equivalents have no unique solutions whereas the machine wants it clear--or uses the first 'best match', which may not always be the best for readers.


Therefore, you could traditionally couple a CAT and MT so it would find the best match or reuse your* edited variants.
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Mark Bossanyi  Identity Verified
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Thank you DZiW, Jun 12, 2019

Yes, I would not expect any system, neural or otherwise, to always get it exactly how I want it. I have used neural systems without any input from my TMs and quite often found the results very good. But being a bit of a perfectionist in terms of style and readability, I find myself spending too much time on post-editing, changing the order of clauses, etc., which can sometimes even makes it take almost as long as translating the text from scratch.

But I gather from your reply that
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Yes, I would not expect any system, neural or otherwise, to always get it exactly how I want it. I have used neural systems without any input from my TMs and quite often found the results very good. But being a bit of a perfectionist in terms of style and readability, I find myself spending too much time on post-editing, changing the order of clauses, etc., which can sometimes even makes it take almost as long as translating the text from scratch.

But I gather from your reply that neural systems would be less responsive to my translation memories than rule-based machine translation systems. Do you think SDL Language Cloud could be a suitable option, for example? And importantly, I am wondering whether systems such as STL Language Cloud and PROMT would be able to sequester my input for confidentiality reasons. Do you have any information on this?
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Jean Dimitriadis  Identity Verified
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ModernMT Jun 12, 2019

There's ModernMT ( https://www.modernmt.eu/ ), but the cloud edition is expensive (€4 per thousand words).

I see it does EN>FR and FR>EN, but only EN>BG, not BG>EN.

Can be used directly in Matecat, maybe other CAT tools as well.

There's also a free and open source edition in case you want to get your hands dirty: See more
There's ModernMT ( https://www.modernmt.eu/ ), but the cloud edition is expensive (€4 per thousand words).

I see it does EN>FR and FR>EN, but only EN>BG, not BG>EN.

Can be used directly in Matecat, maybe other CAT tools as well.

There's also a free and open source edition in case you want to get your hands dirty: https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt

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Mark Bossanyi  Identity Verified
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Thank you Jean Dimitriadis, Jun 12, 2019

I will look into these options.

For ModernMT, is the €4 that you mention per 1000 words of translation output or per 1000 words of TM input?


 

Jean Dimitriadis  Identity Verified
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Cost Jun 12, 2019

There is no cost for uploading your memories, only for using their SaaS. It's €4 for 1,000 words of MT output.

From their website: State-of-the-art neural machine translation as a service that learns from your translation memories and corrections.

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If you try Matecat, there is a big caveat.

Please note that by default, the segments are saved in a public TM (MyMemory).

I'm pretty sure you want to avoid
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There is no cost for uploading your memories, only for using their SaaS. It's €4 for 1,000 words of MT output.

From their website: State-of-the-art neural machine translation as a service that learns from your translation memories and corrections.

Edited to add the following:

If you try Matecat, there is a big caveat.

Please note that by default, the segments are saved in a public TM (MyMemory).

I'm pretty sure you want to avoid that, so here's what to do:

-Create a private TM resource: In the Project creation page, click on Settings (Alternatively, in the TM and glossary field, expand the drop-down menu and select Create resource).
- Click on + New resource button in the opened dialog. Give the TM an optional name. Hit Confirm. You will see that “MyMemory: Collaborative translation memory” resource is Enabled for Lookup, but not set to be Updated anymore. That way, translated segments will only be stored in your private resources. You need to do that systematically for each new project.

After that, you are good to go.

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Mark Bossanyi  Identity Verified
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Thanks again Jean, Jun 12, 2019

for your very helpful reply.

 

Yvonne Manuela Meissner  Identity Verified
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@Mark May 10

By chance I ended up in this thread. I have ModernMT in my MateCat. You can as well use it in Trados but have to download an app in the SDL store.

BIG NEWS: This whole month still - due to Covid-19 - you can use ModernMT for free... a very very nice gesture!!!! Good for a try.


 

Milan Condak  Identity Verified
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Statistical MT for Windows May 11

Mark Bossanyi wrote:

Does anyone know of a (neural?) machine translation system that I can personalise or train to translate in my own style by feeding in the translation memories or CAT tool bilingual (xliff) files that I have compiled over the years?


Statistical MT for Windows from TMXs

Since November 2019, I have been using the Slate Desktop "engine build factory". The engine is a set of local files and no internet connection is required for translation.

Slate Desktop shall build as many "engines" as you want. From your or from external TMXs.

Here is a presentation on CS-BG engine

www.condak.cz/nove/2020-03/02/cs/02.html

02 CS-BG engine for Slate Desktop

Machine translated content Google Translate:

Automated translation CS-BG

Use of TMX for SMT engine and TBX for glossary
  
01 European free language resources
02 CS-BG engine for Slate Desktop
03 CELEX and TMX
04 TMX and Slate Desktop in OmegaT
05 IATE, TBX and XLSX
06 Glossary
07 TM, Slate Connect and Glossary

Slate Desktop and Slate Connect work on Windows (or Linux) computers. More on author's sites

www.slate.rocks or www.slatedesktop.com

On my site see "build engin"

http://www.condak.cz/nove/

Happy translating,

Milan

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