New KudoZ system
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Susan Welsh  Identity Verified
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Aug 14, 2008

I just used the new KudoZ system for the first time to post a question, and I find it to be a disaster!

A person asked me for clarification. There is no longer an option to reply to her, so I had to stick my reply as a "note" to someone else's post!

The levels of discussion/reference/clarification/proposed answer are SO COMPLICATED as to overwhelm the innocent user. I see no point to any of it. The only relevant points are to be able to 1) ask a question; 2) have people discuss various issues involved with it and propose answers; 3) choose an answer; and 4) make a glossary entry. Why make it so unwieldy??

I'm reminded of the song from the old Broadway musical of "Lil' Abner," in which the women of Dogpatch are talking about their menfolks: "Put 'em back/The way they was... /They was dumb, unattractive/ But by gum they was active/ Put 'em back the way they was..."

Susan


[Edited at 2008-08-14 17:49]


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Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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Welcome to the Resistance Movement! Aug 14, 2008

Please visit this forum thread:
http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/112294-kudoz_release:_discussion_area_and_other_improvements.html
and add your support to the opinion expressed by me and many others that the whole thing is a mistake.


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Enrique
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Bug solved Aug 14, 2008

Susan Welsh wrote:

A person asked me for clarification. There is no longer an option to reply to her, so I had to stick my reply as a "note" to someone else's post!


Hi Susan, thanks for reporting this. The bug has been solved, you should be able to reply again.


The levels of discussion/reference/clarification/proposed answer are SO COMPLICATED as to overwhelm the innocent user. I see no point to any of it. The only relevant points are to be able to 1) ask a question; 2) have people discuss various issues involved with it and propose answers; 3) choose an answer; and 4) make a glossary entry. Why make it so unwieldy??


The various areas of KudoZ have specific functions:

  • Request/provide clarification for exchanges with asker to better understand the question
  • Discussion area, for linguistic discussions on the term
  • Answer, to provide the answers to the question
  • Reference information, for those who want to provide references that are not answers to the question

    These areas were implemented after members' suggestions and preliminary statistics suggest that they are being used.

    Feedback and usage from members will define the future evolution of these features.

    Regards,
    Enrique

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  • Teresa Mozo  Identity Verified
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    discussion Aug 15, 2008

    I don't manage to post any discussion entry. It just doesn't work.

    Has anyone had similar problems?

    Regards
    Teresa


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    Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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    At least one other person has Aug 15, 2008

    See the latest posts in the topic to which I gave a link above. I was OK last time I checked.

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    Susan Welsh  Identity Verified
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    discussion entries Aug 15, 2008

    Teresa Mozo wrote:

    I don't manage to post any discussion entry. It just doesn't work.


    No, but when someone posted a discussion entry yesterday on my question, there was no way for me to respond to it. So I put the answer in the "ask the asker" section, which made it fairly incomprehensible.

    Susan


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    Jenny Forbes  Identity Verified
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    I wasn't allowed to thank the people who posted discussion entries Aug 15, 2008

    Susan Welsh wrote:

    Teresa Mozo wrote:

    I don't manage to post any discussion entry. It just doesn't work.


    No, but when someone posted a discussion entry yesterday on my question, there was no way for me to respond to it. So I put the answer in the "ask the asker" section, which made it fairly incomprehensible.

    Susan


    Same here. As I've already said in the other (lengthy) thread about the new Kudoz system, I find it annoying, not to say bewildering. I wanted to thank two answerers who gave me links and lots of information in a "reference entry" about two Kudoz questions I asked yesterday, and could not find a way of doing so using the Kudoz boxes. In the end, I emailed them personally.
    Am I particularly dim? I don't think so. This new system seems to me needlessly cumbersome and unresponsive.
    Jenny.


    [Edited at 2008-08-15 19:10]


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    Enrique
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    Jenny Forbes wrote:

    Same here. As I've already said in the other (lengthy) thread about the new Kudoz system, I find it annoying, not to say bewildering. I wanted to thank two answerers who gave me links and lots of information in a "reference entry" about two Kudoz questions I asked yesterday, and could not find a way of doing so using the Kudoz boxes. In the end, I emailed them personally.



    Hi Jenny,

    There was a bug that prevented askers from participating in the discussions related to their answers. As I posted above, this was solved yesterday.

    If you want to post a note in an answer or a reference entry posted in your question, all you have to do is click on "Note to answerer" or "Note to reference poster" respectively.

    Please let me know if there is currently another desired functionality that the system is not allowing.

    Regards,
    Enrique


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    Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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    Bugs Aug 15, 2008

    Sorry, Enrique, when you said in the other thread "There was a bug that prevented askers from participating in the discussions", I thought you meant the discussions about the new system before it was implemented. Or was that another bug?

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    Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
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    Penalizing responses to askers Aug 15, 2008

    Sometimes askers have questions for answerers and use the "note to answerer" feature. The only way the answerer can answer the asker's additional question is to add a note to his explanation, whereupon he sees the following message: Note: If you add a note, your answer will be repositioned based on the current time.

    Most answerers are reluctant to respond to the question in the explanation box because they don't want their answer to drop to the bottom of the page, so they tended to use the ask-the-asker field for this purpose.


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