Provide members a function to not receive certain job postings (D)
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xxxncfialho  Identity Verified
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Jun 26, 2003

I prefer not to recieve these job offers, because I waste my time watching them
Thanks
Natália

[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2005-02-02 21:40]


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Nina Khmielnitzky  Identity Verified
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I totally agree Jun 26, 2003

Moreover, I feel that anyone who has the competencies should be able to bid on jobs.

I don't have a platinum membership because it's too expensive at the moment, but it does not mean I am incompetent. Actually, I feel it's unfair to be restrained to bid, just because I'm not a paying member.

This is my two cents.

Nina

P.S. I would like to add that when the time restriction is over and that non-paying members can bid, the job might already be filled. Ok if paying members get to bid first, as long as non-paying members get an equal chance to offer their services and have their offer considered by potential clients.

[Edited at 2003-06-26 14:57]


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xxxCHENOUMI  Identity Verified
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Totally fair Jun 26, 2003

In my humble opinion, paying members are entitled to privileges. This wonderful site needs our support to continue improving and remain the outstanding leader that it is.

Some have abused this site in many ways, by extensively using the KudoZ system for instance, while contributing almost nothing in terms of ideas, positive insight, KudoZ participation, paid memberships etc.

An open-bidding system where outsiders and/or non-paying members could keep on taking advantage of ProZ.com, would have been yet another egregious abuse. Thank God, this is not happening to the detriment of loyal contributing members.

Let's bear in mind that we always have to give something in return. That is the essence of fairness.

Cheers to Henry and Proz.com!:):)

[Edited at 2003-06-26 15:35]


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Uldis Liepkalns  Identity Verified
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Totally agree with CHENOUMI Jun 26, 2003

CHENOUMI wrote:
In my humble opinion, paying members are entitled to privileges. This wonderful site needs our support to continue improving and remain the outstanding leader that it is.
Cheers to Henry and Proz.com!:):)


Uldis


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xxxncfialho  Identity Verified
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I don't mind .... Jun 26, 2003

that *paying members are entitled to privileges*.

I simply wanted to sugest not to send these job offers to members who cant apply for them

Natália

P.S. Or at least mark the info's of the job offers so that non-Platinum Members don't waste their time and go and have a look at something they can't apply for....


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Andrea Ali  Identity Verified
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Half & half Jun 26, 2003

Nina Khmielnitzky wrote:

Moreover, I feel that anyone who has the competencies should be able to bid on jobs.

I don't have a platinum membership because it's too expensive at the moment, but it does not mean I am incompetent. Actually, I feel it's unfair to be restrained to bid, just because I'm not a paying member.

This is my two cents.

Nina

P.S. I would like to add that when the time restriction is over and that non-paying members can bid, the job might already be filled. Ok if paying members get to bid first, as long as non-paying members get an equal chance to offer their services and have their offer considered by potential clients.

[Edited at 2003-06-26 14:57]


But on the other hand, I also agree with Sandra!

The only reason why I'm not Platinum is money. It would have been a lot different 3 or 4 years ago. But living in Argentina today is quite difficult. Let's hope things change soon!

Regards,
Andrea


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Beatraduc
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I do agree with Natalia Jun 26, 2003

It is very frustating to receive a notification for a job through our mailbox and then : Nothing. (Wait until tomorrow !)

Why don't send us the notification only when it is possible for us to see it and if luckily it isn't closed, we may bid.

I hope itn't too difficult to implement and as Natalia said we'll save time (to look for other jobs may be).

I understand very well Chenoumi's point of view that paying members are entitled to advantadges but it's no need to be too harsh on non-paying members.

Regards to all
Béatrice


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Fair point Jun 26, 2003

Natália, I think you raised a valid issue - I have taken the liberty to send the thread to the attention of ProZ.com developers.

Best regards, Ralf


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xxxncfialho  Identity Verified
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Thanks Ralf :) Jun 26, 2003

I agree that platinum members should have certain advantages and I can live (very good)with the fact that I am not allowed to bid on restricted jobs.
Regards,
Natália
Ralf Lemster wrote:

Natália, I think you raised a valid issue - I have taken the liberty to send the thread to the attention of ProZ.com developers.

Best regards, Ralf


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Henry Dotterer
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Good point - we'll give the option of getting them or not Jun 26, 2003

I see your point, it is annoying to get job notifications that you can do nothing with. On the other hand, some people may want to track what is going on. Therefore, I will add an option so that you can set these notifications on or off.

It will be at least a week before I can get to it, though. (We are still making changes for the new VAT regulations.)


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ttagir  Identity Verified
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Small remarks 4 the things 2 B on a way they R:) Jun 26, 2003

1. What is strange, non-paying members comply that ... spend their time in searching jobs; this implies that they either get or at least hope to get jobs; therefore, they hope to receive something for it. A simple advice: be professional enough and you will easily earn those $120 (it was even $100 at discount time) to be closer to jobs.
2. Can somebody try to imagine what are the costs for running this site? To serve all above 50'000 registrations? To carry out maintenance and pay for channels, traffic... electric power at last? If one thinks that ads may feed the site, then simply look at the upper part of the home page, where the site members provide us with an ultimate translation soft with $300 discount vs company retail price:)... Do anybody can realy think that ads give to the site something differing from an infinitesimal value?
3. KudoZ is great, no matter what deficiences and weak places could there be. Did somebody of non-Platinum members pay a penny to site for the very concrete help provided quickly and professionally in the majority of cases? Now, in general, in more than 466'646 (almost one half-MILLION!!!) cases (I simply copied the end of last KudoZ question I found in the KudoZ page)?. The site created a real tool to provide the really existing mutual help which has no any analog in the world.
4. The site is great in any case, no matter what differences may separate its members. I believe that those who grow up in the professional sense as high as they ought, could understand that supporting the site is the same as if one is supporting the future of interhuman relations.
5. I know personally some colleagues here who earned enough to buy a new car or to upgrade his/her computer. They were not Platinum then, and paid only afterwards to upgrade their memebrship.
6. In any case, no matter whatever you paid or paid nothing, during the last years, or months, or even weeks, I am sure, the site brought you much more friends and colleagues than any other place in Inet could. Did all pay for it? Not to an ISP but the site?
7. By my deeply personal opinion, the site transforms both us and the world. I cannot even imagine what would happen if one day the site would be down definitely (not for short minutes of maintenance works). Its end will directly kill something very good, kind, freindly and important.
So, would you have 5 minutes free enough from the jobs received via ProZ (directly or not), please think about charging 2 cents above your usual per word price for a dozen of pages in your translation in order to get the money to support both the site and your position on it:).
Best wishes of success to all ProZers-KudoZers in all their business and hopes!
Tagir.


[Edited at 2003-06-27 16:15]


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Anne Lee  Identity Verified
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Well said, Ttagir. Jun 26, 2003

I can see this argument from both sides, because I receive notifications from another site where I cannot apply at all because I am not a member, whereas my workload has definitely increased since I became Platinum here. Your contribution was very moving, Ttagir. I support what you say. It is definitely worth becoming a paying member here. But those who don't, still get a bite at the cherry a few hours after the others. (upgrade their car?? Oh well, I prefer my bicycle, anyway).

[Edited at 2003-06-26 22:30]


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xxxCHENOUMI  Identity Verified
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Loin de moi Jun 27, 2003

I understand very well Chenoumi's point of view that paying members are entitled to advantadges but it's no need to be too harsh on non-paying members.


Hi Beatraduc,

If I sounded too "harsh", that was an unintentional effect of stating the simple truth.
My purpose was not at all to belittle non-paying members.

I was a Premium member for one year until I got jobs, received notifications, established professional contacts, and made friends. The KudoZ system is invaluable, rewarding and enriching.
Thanks to ProZ, I have also renewed contacts with a very dear friend of mine who was featured here, and I found a Canadian cousin through the selfless research of a fellow ProZian.

I decided to upgrade my status last year because ProZ.com deserved more than that...

Salutations distinguées,
Sandra

[Edited at 2003-06-28 02:27]


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