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Is this "offensive language"? [not for the very easily offended]
Thread poster: Chris S

Chris S  Identity Verified
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Jan 4, 2018

I've just had a post deleted by ProZ for "offensive language", viz "a cunning linguist".

This is not offensive language by any measure.

There is an innuendo, sure, which some might not like. But the language is not offensive.

Should not ProZ, as a forum for linguists (cunning or not), be a little more precise in its use of language?


 

Nikki Scott-Despaigne  Identity Verified
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A matter of context Jan 4, 2018

There is always an element of subjectivity. Even if one is not personally offended by something, when deciding whether or not to delete, the idea is probably to consider whether it is likely to be considered offensive by others, within reason. It is also a matter of context and you obviosuly cannot repost here, lest if be deleted!

[Edited at 2018-01-04 14:35 GMT]


 

Chris S  Identity Verified
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I should clarify Jan 4, 2018

I have no problem (well, not much of one) with ProZ deleting my comment on the basis that people of a highly puritanical persuasion might find a sexual reference offensive. ProZ is American, after all.

I just think there is a difference between offensive content and offensive language, and if ProZ can't even word its rules properly, how well does that reflect on the site, its members, the profession, etc, etc.

But it's no biggie and I should probably just shut up and get back to work.


 

Jennifer Forbes  Identity Verified
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Not offensive ... Jan 4, 2018

... just a none too new joke.

 

Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Took me a bit to get it... Jan 4, 2018

I hadn't heard this one before, and I'm not ashamed to admit it took me a bit to realize the joke ...

Anyway, this certainly shouldn't be a reason to moderate a post.


 

Ricki Farn
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This is recursive Jan 4, 2018

The kind of people who understand this wordplay are not the kind of people who are offended by it, and vice versa.

 

Robert Forstag  Identity Verified
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Not the first time... Jan 4, 2018

Such innuendo (one that, as Jenny says, is not particularly original) should not in my view be grounds for removal.

But then again, just last week, a post was removed (in the “Have a nice day” thread) that represented the gerund form of the “f word” with seven asterisks. This removal in turn triggered the removal of other posts (including my own) that quoted the offending representation.

Such removals really do cross the line.

[Edited at 2018-01-04 16:31 GMT]


 

The Misha
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Don't paint us all with the same brush Jan 4, 2018

Chris S wrote:

ProZ is American, after all.



As far as I know, the joke has actually originated in Hollywood. At least that's where I heard it first, on a US California-themed TV show, and those folks are not particularly keen on reusing someone else's material. What bugged me was that it was a little trite, what with it being recycled and all, and maybe not in a very good taste in a professional setting. But offensive? God no. What are we, little kids here?


 

Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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I think ... Jan 4, 2018

... the use of gratuitous sexual innuendo on this forum is simply outrageous, while others seem to just lap it up. It fairly stiffens my jaw, I can tell you. Disgraceful.

 

Jack Doughty  Identity Verified
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007 Jan 4, 2018

I first heard it said in a James Bond film by Miss Moneypenny: "You always were a cunning linguist, James".

 

Nikolaki  Identity Verified
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Utterly gratuitous Jan 4, 2018

@Mervyn

Don't get into a flap. Although it clearly pushed your button and rubbed you up the wrong way.

Maybe Chris was originally making a point about labial fricatives in Swedish.

[Edited at 2018-01-04 17:39 GMT]


 

Agneta Pallinder  Identity Verified
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007 Jan 4, 2018

And should she know?

 

Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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Of course she knew Jan 4, 2018

Her office was in the basement at MI5, and her job was to get James ready to go into action. So before a mission Bond arrived at HQ, and the first thing he did was go down there. Moneypenny would always debrief him afterwards too.

[Edited at 2018-01-04 17:57 GMT]

[Edited at 2018-01-04 17:58 GMT]


 

Robert Forstag  Identity Verified
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Seems redundant Jan 4, 2018

Mervyn Henderson wrote:

Moneypenny would always debrief him afterwards too.

[Edited at 2018-01-04 17:57 GMT]


I guess this would be required now, would it not?


 

Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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It’s standard military/Secret Service procedure ... Jan 4, 2018

... for operations carried out around a female officer’s mess.

 
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