I don't want to be tracked
Thread poster: Hans Lenting

Hans Lenting  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Member (2006)
German to Dutch
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Mar 6

This morning I noticed this warning in my Safari on macOS High Sierra:

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When I want to close this distracting message, I have to accept the conditions. I find this unacceptable. Please ad an option to close and reject.

Thank you!

Hans


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 07:13
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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@Hans Mar 6

Hans Lenting wrote:
When I want to close this distracting message, I have to accept the conditions.


I interpret the link "Accept and close" to mean "I understand this message (i.e. I accept that it is so) and I want to close it", not "I accept the terms and conditions of this message and I want to close it".


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Nate Hill
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This is a mandatory message Mar 6

We apologize for the banner being difficult to understand. Safari 11 requires this type of confirmation, and the banner itself is embedded by the third party advertising partner we're using, Adroll.com. It is not possible to customize the messaging unfortunately.

Clicking on the underlined "here" just before "Accept and close" is the way to opt out of this.

Since it sounds like you've accepted the terms, you can remove the cookie by searching cookies in your browser's settings for adroll, and removing them. Then opt out as described above if you are shown that banner again.


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finnword1
United States
Local time: 01:13
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This board is supposed to be for linguists Mar 6

Merriam-Webster gives various definitions for the word "accept" but none of them means "understood".

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accept


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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
Italy
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Ad blocker + JS blocker Mar 6

Hans, have you tried installing ad blocker and JS blocker extensions in Safari?

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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 07:13
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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Accept Mar 6

finnword1 wrote:
Merriam-Webster gives various definitions for the word "accept" but none of them means "understood".
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accept


The page you link to shows 5 meanings. The meaning I had in mind is meaning #3. It means that you accept something as inevitable or as the truth. Safari/Adroll gives the user information, and the user accepts that the information is correct.

There is no option "reject and continue" because that would be silly. Imagine that... an option labelled "I don't believe you, computer".

Every day we click buttons on our computers labelled "OK" (okay) and we don't complain that there isn't also a button "Not OK", because "OK" does not mean "I'm okay with this" (I approve of it, it makes me happy) but "I acknowledge what I'm seeing".


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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
Italy
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Why not? Mar 6

Samuel Murray wrote:

There is no option "reject and continue" because that would be silly. Imagine that... an option labelled "I don't believe you, computer".


If it is possible to "opt-out" of tracking, as the message itself suggests, then there could very well be a "reject and continue" button, especially considering ad tracking is definitely NOT instrumental to the functioning of this site (or any other website), especially if you're a paying user (IMHO).

Problem is, if such a button was there (as it should be), most people would click that instead of "Accept and Close", which however would be bad for marketers. The way things are now, people have to stop what they are doing, click a link to an external website, read instructions on how to "opt-out" of tracking and follow them, and then go back to what they were doing before... Not exactly user-friendly... or better, consumer-friendly.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 07:13
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Had another look Mar 6

Mirko Mainardi wrote:
The way things are now, people have to stop what they are doing, click a link to an external website, read instructions on how to "opt-out" of tracking and follow them, and then go back to what they were doing before...


I've had another look at the message and now realise that the message might/does say something other than what I first thought. The message is poorly written and practically contradicts itself. It's also misleading because it talks about "opting out" when in fact it means "opting in" (the user is already out at this stage and does not need to perform additional actions to get out). But if I understand the message correctly, one can also opt not to opt in by simply reloading the page, since "This message only appears once". Perhaps a Safari user can tell us what happens when you just reload the page.


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