| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3] > | PEERS? Has \"peer judging\" devolved to a popularity contest? Thread poster: DR. RICHARD BAVRY (X)
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| Thank you, pros! | Dec 21, 2001 |
Never heard of personal need for being accepted and peer-validated?
| | | | | living in the target country... | Dec 22, 2001 |
John said: \"By that I mean, they are neither native speakers nor live in the target country, IMHO an absolute requirement for translating into a language\".
John, I\'m surprised by your statement. A native speaker who doesn\'t live in the target country is not some kind of blidfolded hermit who has forgotten everything about his/her own country. I\'m Italian, I live in England and I go back very often. I haven\'t lost touch with my own language at all. I know the source lan... See more John said: \"By that I mean, they are neither native speakers nor live in the target country, IMHO an absolute requirement for translating into a language\".
John, I\'m surprised by your statement. A native speaker who doesn\'t live in the target country is not some kind of blidfolded hermit who has forgotten everything about his/her own country. I\'m Italian, I live in England and I go back very often. I haven\'t lost touch with my own language at all. I know the source language better than 98% of Italian translators living in Italy. How do I know this? I proof-read translations by Italian translators living in Italy regularly and most of the time these translations are full of laughable misunderstandings of the source language. The target language is poor and the quality is abismal. They are a nightmare. I think you should avoid such draconian statements, or maybe you live six months in England and six months in Israel...
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| | | | John Kinory (X)
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| Giovanni, you misunderstood me ... | Dec 22, 2001 |
I said they are not native speakers, and ALSO they don\'t live in the target country. IOW, they should meet at least ONE of those two conditions. I didn\'t suggest they should meet both.
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| | | | | Objectively "Thanks" is offensive | Dec 23, 2001 |
For the sake of being finnickity...
Karin wrote about \"the people who \"thank\" others for \"agreeing\" to their answers\"
If we look at this objectively, receiving thanks for having expressed my opinion implies that the thanker is assuming that I am deliberately adopting some kind of partisan strategy to assist their cause. This is offensive.
I believe that no response is necessary to an \"agree\" tag, beyond, perhaps, a grunt of satisfaction, written \"grnt\".... See more For the sake of being finnickity...
Karin wrote about \"the people who \"thank\" others for \"agreeing\" to their answers\"
If we look at this objectively, receiving thanks for having expressed my opinion implies that the thanker is assuming that I am deliberately adopting some kind of partisan strategy to assist their cause. This is offensive.
I believe that no response is necessary to an \"agree\" tag, beyond, perhaps, a grunt of satisfaction, written \"grnt\".
Respect and enjoyment
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| reply to John... | Dec 23, 2001 |
yes, John, my mistake... surely I\'m not a hermit... I don\'t know about blindfolded...
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Derek,
I find nothing offensive in thanking an \"agree\" tag. But then again, de gustibus. Some research involved, you get some feedback.. why not thanking someone who acknowledges your good piece of research?
I certainly don\'t know how this works in your country but in South Europe we thank someone who agrees with us. Partisans\' blood I would say (?). Nevertheless we could try and learn some healthy Northern manner like \"grunt!\". Maybe after two ... See more Derek,
I find nothing offensive in thanking an \"agree\" tag. But then again, de gustibus. Some research involved, you get some feedback.. why not thanking someone who acknowledges your good piece of research?
I certainly don\'t know how this works in your country but in South Europe we thank someone who agrees with us. Partisans\' blood I would say (?). Nevertheless we could try and learn some healthy Northern manner like \"grunt!\". Maybe after two or three beers.
Cheers and Merry Christmas!
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| | | | Karin Walker (X) 
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| Derek...grnt, grnt... | Dec 24, 2001 |
I will close this sub-thread now because I think I was thoroughly misunderstood... I think you twigged what I was saying though. A grnt is really all that is required, if at all.
Merry Christmas to all.
Grnt.
K.
| | | | | Nit picking for fun | Dec 25, 2001 |
Greetings Flavio. Do you live in ancient Rome by any chance? If so, perhaps you would give my regards to a long missing colleague named Francesco, who comes from the same epoch of history.
In the meantime, at the risk of being tiresome, I would like to advance the \"no thanks\" cause marginally in the mildest and friendliest of tones.
Assume a scenario thus
Scene: it starts raining:
I: \"It is raining\"
You: \"So it is\"
I: Thank you... See more Greetings Flavio. Do you live in ancient Rome by any chance? If so, perhaps you would give my regards to a long missing colleague named Francesco, who comes from the same epoch of history.
In the meantime, at the risk of being tiresome, I would like to advance the \"no thanks\" cause marginally in the mildest and friendliest of tones.
Assume a scenario thus
Scene: it starts raining:
I: \"It is raining\"
You: \"So it is\"
I: Thank you
Now, would this or would this not merit at a slightly preoccupied sidelong glance in my direction?
On the contrary
Scene: The weather remains fine:
I: \"It is raining\"
You: \"So it is\"
I: Thank you
Now all is logical. You need not cast any sidelong glances because you know you have done me a favour by supporting my illusion.
Erm, where does that leave me? Totally off the track I suppose (as usual)!
Total Respect
Derek
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| Happy new year, anyway | Jan 2, 2002 |
Have a happy new year, Derek 
Flavio
| | | | Dave Greatrix
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| acknowledgement | Jan 7, 2002 |
I agree with Chris, I also feel that posting a \"Thank-you\" is slightly \"naff\" but I believe an acknowledgement of some kind is simply common courtesy.
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| Bravo Flavio | Jan 11, 2002 |
I certainly don\'t know how this works in your country but in South Europe we thank someone who agrees with us. Partisans\' blood I would say (?). Nevertheless we could try and learn some healthy Northern manner like \"grunt!\". Maybe after two or three beers.
Bravo Flavio!
| | | | Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
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On 2002-01-07 09:52, dashgbr wrote:
I agree with Chris, I also feel that posting a \"Thank-you\" is slightly \"naff\" but I believe an acknowledgement of some kind is simply common courtesy.
It is naff, but if you\'re on the site and someone has agreed, why not say thanks? It\'s only polite, after all.
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DR. RICHARD BAVRY (X)
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TOPIC STARTER | Thank God We Are Human and Not Automatons | Jan 22, 2002 |
Right on, Werner!
Even when I encounter vitriolic or vehement disagreement, I am content. At least I partake, then, of the human element.
And I am very much pleased with a human response anytime!
As you well know, you and I agree on many things...and yet disagree on others. What we disagree about does not invalidate our respect for one another at all. Quite to the contrary. It adds a bit of seasoning to the wonderous stewpot of our i... See more Right on, Werner!
Even when I encounter vitriolic or vehement disagreement, I am content. At least I partake, then, of the human element.
And I am very much pleased with a human response anytime!
As you well know, you and I agree on many things...and yet disagree on others. What we disagree about does not invalidate our respect for one another at all. Quite to the contrary. It adds a bit of seasoning to the wonderous stewpot of our individual experiences. And I am always open to new ideas and fresh approaches.
And I have never lost the appreciation of how simple courtesies enrich our existence.
Rich
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On 2001-12-13 20:07, AbacusTrans wrote:
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On 2001-12-13 15:30, KGartshore wrote:
are the people who \"thank\" others for \"agreeing\" to their answers. That must be the height of preposterousness and evokes a vision of the answerer sitting at the PC, waiting greedily for some backslapping, clicking the \"refresh\" button every 2 minutes. It\'a absolutely pathetic and gives us some idea of why people answer - to gain some sort of validation from their peers.
Are we supposed to be cold automatons? There is no time for a simple thank-you? People don\'t just sit there feverishly refreshing their screens; peer comments are sent out by e-mail, and if you feel like it, you can reply. And saying Thank You is the least thing anyone can do.
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| | | | Werner George Patels, M.A., C.Tran.(ATIO) (X)
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| Quite right, Rich | Jan 22, 2002 |
Saying \"Thank you\" has never hurt anyone - or has it?
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| Agreeing on Agrees | Feb 16, 2002 |
I\'m all for saying \'thank you\' and according to my Spanish/Catalan friends I thank everybody too much for everything but...
I have never thanked anyone for an agree because as far as I\'m concerned an agree is to help the asker decide which answer to go for and not to compliment my answer. I would consider a \'thank you\', if someone pointed out a mistake or actually complimented me on the brilliance of my answer or research! (hasn\'t happened yet...  ... See more I\'m all for saying \'thank you\' and according to my Spanish/Catalan friends I thank everybody too much for everything but...
I have never thanked anyone for an agree because as far as I\'m concerned an agree is to help the asker decide which answer to go for and not to compliment my answer. I would consider a \'thank you\', if someone pointed out a mistake or actually complimented me on the brilliance of my answer or research! (hasn\'t happened yet...  !)
Am I mistaken in thinking that the purpose of the \'agree, neutral, disagree\' options is to guide the asker???
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