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LondonLingua  Identity Verified
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Local time: 05:33
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??? May 5, 2016

I have years of experience as a legal translator as well as law and translation degrees. This course and its description look like a complete con - how could this course do as advertised in 90 minutes or 60 minutes (the description cannot even agree with itself)? I think Proz needs to raise its standards a bit if it wants to be seen as something other than a way of making money from amateurs with no common sense and/or ethics (the mistranslation of legal and financial documents can have very dire consequences for hapless clients)
Just to be clear: I don't mean that the trainer is not competent or that the webinar will not be useful - I have no idea whether or not that's the case - I mean that you cannot become a fully-fledged legal or financial translator in 60 or 90 minutes, and that this course should be advertised as an "introduction"or "taster"for those who may be interested in those fields
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[Edited at 2016-05-05 09:45 GMT]


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Suzanne Deliscar  Identity Verified
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Bio is Empty May 5, 2016

I think that part of the problem is that the trainer's bio is empty. Without information on the trainer's qualifications to teach such a course, it is impossible for participants to know who is teaching them. Also, it looks like the course description has information from two different webinars mixed together - technical issue.

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Claudia H. P. Hoogewijs  Identity Verified
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LondonLingua wrote:

I have years of experience as a legal translator as well as law and translation degrees. This course and its description look like a complete con - how could this course do as advertised in 90 minutes or 60 minutes (the description cannot even agree with itself)? I think Proz needs to raise its standards a bit if it wants to be seen as something other than a way of making money from amateurs with no common sense and/or ethics (the mistranslation of legal and financial documents can have very dire consequences for hapless clients)
Just to be clear: I don't mean that the trainer is not competent or that the webinar will not be useful - I have no idea whether or not that's the case - I mean that you cannot become a fully-fledged legal or financial translator in 60 or 90 minutes, and that this course should be advertised as an "introduction"or "taster"for those who may be interested in those fields
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[Edited at 2016-05-05 09:45 GMT]


I completely agree with LondonLingua, and when I came across this webinar ad, the same thoughts came to my mind. No, you cannot earn 300 EUR min per day simply because you have acquired some few knowledge about legal and/or financial translation during a 60 or 90 minutes webinar. Neither when you are an experimented translator in such fields, by the way. I am a lawyer myself, and translator specializing in legal and financial since long years, and I can assure you it does not work like that.

[Edited at 2016-05-06 00:02 GMT]


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xxxPh_B  Identity Verified
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Fully agree with LondonLingua May 6, 2016

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[Edited at 2016-05-06 04:37 GMT]


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xxxPh_B  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 06:33
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Fully agree with LondonLingua May 6, 2016

LondonLingua wrote:

... This course and its description look like a complete con - how could this course do as advertised in 90 minutes or 60 minutes (the description cannot even agree with itself)? I think Proz needs to raise its standards a bit if it wants to be seen as something other than a way of making money from amateurs with no common sense and/or ethics (the mistranslation of legal and financial documents can have very dire consequences for hapless clients)
Just to be clear: I don't mean that the trainer is not competent or that the webinar will not be useful - I have no idea whether or not that's the case - I mean that you cannot become a fully-fledged legal or financial translator in 60 or 90 minutes, and that this course should be advertised as an "introduction"or "taster"for those who may be interested in those fields
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[Edited at 2016-05-05 09:45 GMT]


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AIT Traduction  Identity Verified
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Fully agree with London Lingua - We expect better from ProZ May 6, 2016

I am a English to French translator, specialised in law and business. I hold a law degree from a French University, a diploma in business administration from Henley Business School and a diploma in legal translation from IoL, It took me more than 90' to learn what I have learned. It is a bit of an insult to people's intelligence to publish such false publicity from an unverified trainer. We expect better from ProZ.

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Françoise Vogel  Identity Verified
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B.A. BA May 6, 2016

sinon ça fait un peu bégaiement

La contradiction que je relève est juste un sérieux excès d'enthousiasme: "la traduction financière et juridique n'aura plus de secret pour vous" s'agissant du b.a. ba.

btw, la bio de la formatrice se trouve sur sa page:

"Traductrice financière, économique et juridique depuis 2010 auprès de banques, gérants d'actifs, cabinets d'avocats, agences de traduction.
Titulaire d'une licence en langues étrangères appliquées anglais/allemand de l'Université Marc Bloch de Strasbourg
Titulaire d'un Master en Management Marketing/Logistique de l'EM Strasbourg
Executive MBA en finance islamique à l'Université de sciences politiques, droit et gestion de Strasbourg - EN COURS

Je dispense nombre de formations en présentiel sur ces sujets, en proposant notamment des ateliers de traduction commentée à Londres, Paris, Dubaï, Strasbourg et en fonction de la demande.
Ces formations sont dispensées tant auprès de traducteurs que d'agences de traduction investissant dans la formation de leurs traducteurs ou équipes internes."


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Helen Shepelenko
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Thank you for your interest in the training May 6, 2016

Hi everyone,

Thank you for bringing this up. You are right, this course is an introduction to those who plan to start specializing in these fields. This information will be highlighted on the training page accordingly.

Thanks again!

Regards,
Helen


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Françoise Vogel  Identity Verified
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B.A. BA May 7, 2016

Helen Shepelenko wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thank you for bringing this up. You are right, this course is an introduction to those who plan to start specializing in these fields. This information will be highlighted on the training page accordingly.

Thanks again!

Regards,
Helen

Hi Helen,

This could be a good occasion to modify the title which should read B.A. BA (instead of B.A.B.A)

Thanks for your attention,
Françoise


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laetisydney  Identity Verified
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Clarification May 7, 2016

Hi everybody,
I would like to apologize for the bad communication.
I have not been told that the ad of the training webinar would be launched and was not able to complete every section and get it adapted to the format. This is my first webinar on proz so I do beg a little indulgence ,:)
However, I wanted to point out a point. It is really possible to access quickly to volume and good rates even if the translator does not immediately have a perfect command of the economical/financial mechanism but I do agree with the comments, you won't be an experienced financial translator i 1 webinar, but for sure this was clear ,:)

[Edited at 2016-05-09 21:15 GMT]


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Claudia H. P. Hoogewijs  Identity Verified
Belgium
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Bio May 31, 2016

Françoise Vogel wrote:

btw, la bio de la formatrice se trouve sur sa page:


Juste pour éclaircir en ce qui concerne la BIO: cette bio n'était pas là quand ce webinaire a été lancé pour la première fois, avec les premières réactions le concernant. Raison pour laquelle Suzanne Deliscar avait aussi mentionné "Bio is empty".

Pour le reste, et pour ma part, je continue tout à fait d'accord avec LondonLingua et les autres qui partagent ce même point de vue.


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laetisydney  Identity Verified
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Bio May 31, 2016

Claudia H. P. Hoogewijs wrote:

Françoise Vogel wrote:

btw, la bio de la formatrice se trouve sur sa page:


Juste pour éclaircir en ce qui concerne la BIO: cette bio n'était pas là quand ce webinaire a été lancé pour la première fois, avec les premières réactions le concernant. Raison pour laquelle Suzanne Deliscar avait aussi mentionné "Bio is empty".

Pour le reste, et pour ma part, je continue tout à fait d'accord avec LondonLingua et les autres qui partagent ce même point de vue.


Bonsoir Claudia,
Je vous remercie pour votre partage d'expérience.
Cela dit, ma réalité et celle de traducteurs avec lesquels je travaille n'est pas celle-ci. C'est sans doute aussi l'occasion d'enrichir nos parcours respectifs.
Bien à vous
Laetitia


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