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A job advertized on Proz turns out to be a scam
Thread poster: #JuliaC#
#JuliaC#  Identity Verified
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Oct 6, 2011

Beware of this new scam:

Hello Giulia,

Sorry for the delay.Am out of town to Spain,I will be coming to Germany in 4weeks.I need translator to translate up to 13000 source of words for me from English to German, Subject Area is Business management.I agree with your total charges.Part payment will be issued out before commencement of work for i do understand it is necessary since we working online.

Here is my address..
Name..... Robert Schwarz
ADDRESS.. CALLE DE RAMON
CITY..... HUMANES DE MADRID.
ZIP CODE. 28070
STATE.... MADRID,

Your information is need for background check, please send in this information:

FULL NAME:
CONTACT ADDRESS:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIP-CODE:
VALID PHONE:
MOBILE NUMBER:
HOURS FOR AVAILABILITY:


I think there is no doubt at all this is a scam. What do you think?


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Rachel Fell  Identity Verified
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I Oct 6, 2011

agree with you.

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Paula Hernández
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Sad Oct 6, 2011

It is very sad that Proz is quickly turning into a marketplace for scams and low paying jobs. Maybe they should find a way to filter these offers.

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Tony M  Identity Verified
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Let's get the facts straight... Oct 6, 2011

Paula Hernández wrote:

It is very sad that Proz is quickly turning into a marketplace for scams...


I think we should be careful here to get our facts straight: do we know for sure that Giulia's original job request was in fact a 'job advertised on ProZ.com'? It sounds more like a private e-mail request, simply sent via the ProZ.com e-mail service.

This would be a rather different state of affairs!

If we choose to accept e-mails via our profile page, then we have to accept that we may receive all kinds of e-mails, including spam and scams; naturally, ProZ.com will take every step to block spamming addresses or IPs at source, but of course, this can only be a re-active step, not a pro-active one. Every spammer we report helps the ProZ system to avoid other people getting messages from the same source. However, it would clearly be unreasonable (and unfeasible!) to expect all incoming e-mail to your profile to be manually checked! (though members do have the facility to accept vetted e-mails only)

However, you can configure your e-mails so that, for example, you will only receive messages from logged-in users; this will of course help to filter out almost all spam — but you might also end up losing the odd message here and there from potential customers who just don't happen to be logged-in users of ProZ.com; this is a trade-off you have to make, deciding which works best for you. Personally, I accept all mail (which might be from a prospective customer), relying on my own instincts to readily assess incoming scams.

Let's not confuse this issue with the ProZ.com JOBS system, where clearly there is a great deal more protection, in terms of who can post jobs, and it is easier for them to be vetted.

I don't think we can expect ProZ to expend vast resources to 'nanny' us, when a few simple checks and safeguards are all each of us need put in place to avoid such things; frankly, most of the scams are SO obvious, I find it quite amazing that anyone is gullible enough to be taken in by them.

PS: OK, thanks a lot Giulia for explaining the situation better; I now understand, since the text you quoted sounds much more like the e-mail that lots of people have received; you didn't say it was the reply following an answer to a job posting. I assume you did alert site staff to the bogus job posting? If not, you should certainly do so now, even if the original posting can no longer be found, you should give them as much info as you possibly can so they can try and identify it.

[Modifié le 2011-10-06 20:41 GMT]

[Modifié le 2011-10-06 20:44 GMT]


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Emmanuelle G  Identity Verified
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clearly a scam,and yes, there are many of them, be carreful ! Oct 6, 2011

This is clearly a scam, but apparently it was sent by email, right ? It is quite common.
Anyway, be careful because on Proz too, some posts for jobs are scams !! I have seen and warn Proz about one a few weeks ago. The announcer said he was a man working in the business area and needing a translation of big document. There was no details, and the name was in fact a women name, and when I searched for it in Google... it was the name of a yoga teacher ! and the email was almost the same as hers, except a number he added to the end of the address... but he even used and posted HER postal address in the job post on Proz ! Crazy, because in just one click on the web you could find the real personn... but the question is : where is the scam in such emails and job posts ? they ask your personnal details, and then... ?? Maybe this is just the first part of the scam and they further ask your bank details ?


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#JuliaC#  Identity Verified
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@ Tony Oct 6, 2011

Actually it was a job advertized on Proz, not an e-mail sent me through proz. It is steen visible among other jobs but now is closed because quoting deadline has expired. I quoted for it as I quote for other jobs and I got the reply I wrote above.

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Laurent KRAULAND  Identity Verified
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This... Oct 6, 2011

or a very similar misadventure happened to me too (I seem to remember it was the "handicapped businessman" scam attempt).

giuliacordelli wrote:

Actually it was a job advertized on Proz, not an e-mail sent me through proz. It is steen visible among other jobs but now is closed because quoting deadline has expired. I quoted for it as I quote for other jobs and I got the reply I wrote above.


[Edited at 2011-10-06 16:46 GMT]


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Steve Erpelding  Identity Verified
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same here Oct 6, 2011

only the name changed.

Hello,

Sorry for the delay.Am out of town to Spain,I will be coming to Germany in 3weeks.I need translator to translate up to 13200 source of words for me from English to German, Subject Area is Business management.I agree with your total charges of 0.07 for this project.Part payment will be issued out before commencement of work for i do understand it is necessary since we working online.

Here is my address..
Name..... Gabriele Adamski
ADDRESS.. CALLE DE SANTIAGO, CAJAL,22
CITY..... HUMANES DE MADRID.
ZIP CODE. 28970
STATE.... MADRID,
COUNTRY.. SPAIN
TELEPHONE..672539965

Your information is need for background check, please send in this information:


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#JuliaC#  Identity Verified
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@Steve Oct 6, 2011

This guy is also original. He changes the number of words according to the victim even though the text seems to be the same

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Zea_Mays  Identity Verified
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Yes it was published on Proz, got the same reply Oct 6, 2011

But I am - ehem - let's say surprised by the tone which is adopted here by a mod!

Before I sent in my offer I checked the name of this person, and it resulted to be correct or, more correct: existing (name, address shown in the job posting and his profession as revealed by the email address - a yahoo.de one).
Now, I am surely NOT a service provider who is satisfiable with peanuts, my rates are above average, especially for the Italian market.

Well, I received a quite similar reply. The only difference is that there he asks to let him know the total charges instead of accepting a proposal. Together with the email I got a short text sample in German (business management field). It doesn't look like MT but it sounds a little strange.

He was looking for German>Italian translators, and in the email it went English>German. Furthermore I wrote him in German, since I am bilingual, and he answered in English.

Last but not least, I have checked the IP address - the last "received from" line: 197.111.190.252
It comes from South Africa. Wasn't he actually in Spain?


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Steve Erpelding  Identity Verified
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traveller's cheque Oct 6, 2011

I actually wasn't sceptical at all until we came to the payment. He/She wanted to pay with traveller's cheques, which I found slightly suspicious.

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Roberto Bertuol  Identity Verified
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Advance payment scam Oct 6, 2011

Hi everybody,
some time ago I had a similar experience. I was contacted out of the blue (not via Proz) by someone who lived in Africa and needed language classes in London for his daughter who was coming to stay with an aunt for the summer. After a few exchanges of emails and telephone contacts (although I never provided my address), this person offered to pay the full amount in advance and asked for my address where he could post a cheque. At that point, I became very suspicious, did a search online and found out that this is a common scam. Basically, they send you a cheque with an amount that is much higher than the one you agreed as a deposit or advance payment. When you get in touch with them explaining that the amount is not correct, they say they made a mistake and ask you to transfer back the amount in excess to a current account. Although the cheque looks pretty genuine, it is a counterfeit cheque but the bank can only find out after several days from the moment you deposit it. By then, if you fall into the trap, you have already sent the excess money to this bank account and never hear from this person ever again.
Hope this helps
Roberto


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Helen Shiner  Identity Verified
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Not the first time Oct 6, 2011

Yes, and it is not the first time a job advertised through the Proz.com jobs system turns out to be a scam: http://www.proz.com/forum/scams/195871-someone_is_posing_as_me.html

The individual cited in this previous case had been 'verified' by Proz.com complete with accompanying tick to prove it, albeit with a combination of my, and Helen G's, qualifications/CV/experience. How this can happen, I don't know, but we should all be aware that it can and be exceptionally vigilant.

[Edited at 2011-10-06 17:39 GMT]


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Alejandro Cavalitto
Local time: 01:01
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Could you please submit a support request including a link to the job posting? Oct 6, 2011

Dear Giulia,

First, thanks for reporting this and warning the community about this scam. Could you please also submit a support request and supply a link to the job posting where this was posted? That will allow site staff to block this scammer from the site. Thank you.

Best regards,
Alejandro


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