Likely scam: georgeyala8@gmail.com
Thread poster: Kay Barbara

Kay Barbara
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:23
Member (2008)
English to German
+ ...
Dec 22, 2012

Hi all,

I suspect a scam here (not logged in, Palestinian Territories, insufficient information, amnesia (see rate)) and just wanted to let everyone know - message below:

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Sender: georgeyala8@gmail.com
Subject: [ProZ.com mail] Translate manuals Book

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You have been sent a message via
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Hi all,

I suspect a scam here (not logged in, Palestinian Territories, insufficient information, amnesia (see rate)) and just wanted to let everyone know - message below:

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Sender: georgeyala8@gmail.com
Subject: [ProZ.com mail] Translate manuals Book

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You have been sent a message via ProZ.com.
Author: Georg [NOTE: The author is not a registered ProZ.com user or was not logged in when sending this message.]
Author's IP address: 85.114.109.41
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Dear Kay,

I have projects on telephone manuals need into German.

Around 20000-40000 words for each manual.

I have several manuals for each month.

How about your rate? When can u finish?

Special requirements to the applicants: That required use
CAT tools like Trados and TM.

I will pay for this job 0.12 EUR per word.

Please send me your CV if you are interested.

Regards,
Georg


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Merry Christmas
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Usch Pilz
Local time: 06:23
English to German
+ ...
Seems like they forgot to tell you about their method of payment ... Dec 22, 2012

... they might want to send you an advance via traveller's cheque. And - uuups - it will accidentally be for a much larger sum than what they owe you.
And can you please pay the balance into their bank account?


 

Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 01:23
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
Why? Dec 22, 2012

I don't see why you consider this a scam. To mee it only looks as a potential clients asking for a rate.
There is nothing in that text implying otherwise.


 

Farzad Akmali  Identity Verified
Member
English to Farsi (Persian)
+ ...
Agree with Walter! Dec 22, 2012

Hi,

I do agree with Walter.

Just consider it as a potential client and quote for it; then see what happens next!


 

Kay Barbara
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:23
Member (2008)
English to German
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Read the message Dec 22, 2012

Walter Landesman wrote:

I don't see why you consider this a scam. To mee it only looks as a potential clients asking for a rate.
There is nothing in that text implying otherwise.


In addition to the reasons I mentioned in my initial post, you surely noticed that the person first asks for a rate and then sets a rate. But yeah, now that you say it, that is perfectly reasonable I guess.

The fact that the recipient of this message does not know anything about the sender is not really encouraging IMO. Usually, serious business people tell you what they do and/or who they work for - which is what leads me to mistrust the sender of this email. The question about my CV is also nonsensical as it is available via my profile. Oh yeah, and @gmail.com ... need I say more?

By all means, if you do not agree, feel free to reply to such enquiries - but I do feel that this sort of suspicious behaviour should be flagged up.


 

Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 01:23
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
Libelling is not fair and may be illegal Dec 22, 2012

Kay,

It is up to you to reply or not to this client's proposal. What is not up to you is to libel or calumniate somebody you are not sure about.

This is a public forum, besides rules of netiquette and common sense, there are site rules you have to comply with. You are posting a private email calling its owner a scammer. This may have legal results for you and for Proz.

The least you may do to prevent that is to edit and delete the name/email address of the
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Kay,

It is up to you to reply or not to this client's proposal. What is not up to you is to libel or calumniate somebody you are not sure about.

This is a public forum, besides rules of netiquette and common sense, there are site rules you have to comply with. You are posting a private email calling its owner a scammer. This may have legal results for you and for Proz.

The least you may do to prevent that is to edit and delete the name/email address of the sender/potential client.




[Edited at 2012-12-22 19:18 GMT]
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Sharon Toh, MITI MCIL
Singapore
Local time: 12:23
Member (2009)
Chinese to English
+ ...
Agree with Walter Dec 22, 2012

Walter Landesman wrote:

It is up to you to reply or not to this client's proposal. What is not up to you is to libel or calumniate somebody you are not sere about.

...

The least you may do to prevent that is to edit and delete the name/email address of the sender/potential client.



I agree that the message might appear dubious, but there's no indication of an OBVIOUS scam. Everything is just our own guesses, which may or may not be true. IMO, we may discuss and analyse such emails, but not with the identity (name and email address) revealed. Just my 2 cents.


 

Enrique Cavalitto  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 01:23
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
Most likely a scam Dec 22, 2012

Thanks Kay,

This is most likely a scammer operating from Gaza, part of the operation indicated in this thread.

It is better to report this kind of information in a support request.

I would advise to delete this message. If you are interested to investigate this as a possible client, the next step should be to ask for verifiable contact informa
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Thanks Kay,

This is most likely a scammer operating from Gaza, part of the operation indicated in this thread.

It is better to report this kind of information in a support request.

I would advise to delete this message. If you are interested to investigate this as a possible client, the next step should be to ask for verifiable contact information. Please note that all you have here are a first name and a free email address.

Regards,
Enrique
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Kay Barbara
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:23
Member (2008)
English to German
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Libelling me for libelling is not fair and may be illegal :) Dec 22, 2012

Walter Landesman wrote:

Kay,

It is up to you to reply or not to this client's proposal. What is not up to you is to libel or calumniate somebody you are not sure about.

This is a public forum, besides rules of netiquette and common sense, there are site rules you have to comply with. You are posting a private email calling its owner a scammer. This may have legal results for you and for Proz.

The least you may do to prevent that is to edit and delete the name/email address of the sender/potential client.




[Edited at 2012-12-22 19:18 GMT]


Walter, the difference between you and me is that you are accusing someone whose identity is easily verfiable. Moreover I never made any factual statements (key words I used were: "likely", "suspect", "mistrust" etc.) about the sender of the message (whose identity was not disclosed, there is more than one "Georg", I reckon).

The least you may do to edit or delete you post which contains this accusation. But I'm not really bothered if you don't, after having read Enriques post I don't think that you are an authority on this matter anyway.


 

Kay Barbara
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:23
Member (2008)
English to German
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Support request submitted Dec 22, 2012

Enrique Cavalitto wrote:

Thanks Kay,

This is most likely a scammer operating from Gaza, part of the operation indicated in this thread.

It is better to report this kind of information in a support request.

I would advise to delete this message. If you are interested to investigate this as a possible client, the next step should be to ask for verifiable contact information. Please note that all you have here are a first name and a free email address.

Regards,
Enrique


Thank you, Enrique.

Merry Christmas!


 

Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 01:23
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
Not enough info to label it. Dec 22, 2012

Enrique Cavalitto wrote:

I would advise to delete this message. If you are interested to investigate this as a possible client, the next step should be to ask for verifiable contact information. Please note that all you have here are a first name and a free email address.

Regards,
Enrique


I agree. Not enough to call it a scam. I might have deleted the message, but not post it publicly calling an unkonwn person a scammer.

That email address above may still be legit. I just gave you my 2 cents. You may take them or not.


 

Manuela Junghans  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:23
Member (2004)
English to German
+ ...
Hi Kay Dec 23, 2012

and everyone else

I got the same message last week and sent a short reply, asking for contact information, etc. Needless to say, I never heard back from them...I didn´t expect any other outcome. I don´t see how this could be a scam, however, it certainly isn´t a serious business proposal either. Although I have to say, someone "offering" to pay Euro 0.12 with an IP address from Palestine (no offense), sounds too good to be true to me...

Wishing everyone a good Christ
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and everyone else

I got the same message last week and sent a short reply, asking for contact information, etc. Needless to say, I never heard back from them...I didn´t expect any other outcome. I don´t see how this could be a scam, however, it certainly isn´t a serious business proposal either. Although I have to say, someone "offering" to pay Euro 0.12 with an IP address from Palestine (no offense), sounds too good to be true to me...

Wishing everyone a good Christmas

Manuela
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Thayenga  Identity Verified
Germany
Local time: 06:23
Member (2009)
English to German
+ ...
Why it's most probably a CV theft scam Dec 23, 2012

Walter Landesman wrote:

I don't see why you consider this a scam. To mee it only looks as a potential clients asking for a rate.
There is nothing in that text implying otherwise.


Hi Walter,

the reason why I believe this "george" to be a scammer is because I received a similar email... even twice, once the day before yesterday (see below) and once earlier this week.

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You have been sent a message via ProZ.com.
Author: Georg
[NOTE: The author is not a registered ProZ.com user or was not logged in when
sending this message.]
Author's IP address: 85.114.109.41
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Dear Thayenge,

I would like to translate book from English to German.

The book contain 1000 pages.

If you are interested, please let me know your rate, lead
time and your CV.

Regards,
Georg


First of all, if someone has found me through my ProZ.com profile, why would he immediately ask for my CV? (And expect me to send it?)

Second, the IP address is
City Nabulus
State or Region Palestinian Territories
Country Palestinian Territories

Of course, neither the gmail address nor the location of the sender are a "guaranty" for a scam.

However, this email/these emails does/do meet quite a few scam criteria such as

1. there is absolutely no information about the sender or his enterprise,

2. there are no payment details,

and last but not least:

When I requested more information (politely explaining that I don't send my CV to someone unknown to me upon initial contact) from one of my other email addresses, there was no reply.

This might not be "alarming", however, for someone who seems to be seriously interested in my services, sufficiently to even send me two emails for one and the same job, this "silences" speaks quite loudly.


 

Usch Pilz
Local time: 06:23
English to German
+ ...
Identical mail - different name! Dec 30, 2012

Hello Kay and colleagues!

Received the identical mail with a different sender name yesterday.
My guy is called John.
He also has a gmail-address, and the mail was sent via the same surfer as the mail Kay received.
Lots going on in Nablus at the moment ...

I know you are not supposed to answer suspected scam mails. But I could not resist and asked the guy to further identify himself.
No answer. Strange ......
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Hello Kay and colleagues!

Received the identical mail with a different sender name yesterday.
My guy is called John.
He also has a gmail-address, and the mail was sent via the same surfer as the mail Kay received.
Lots going on in Nablus at the moment ...

I know you are not supposed to answer suspected scam mails. But I could not resist and asked the guy to further identify himself.
No answer. Strange ...


Happy 2013, everybody!
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