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Could this be a scammer or a phisher? (web crawlers on visitors page)
Thread poster: Tom in London

Tom in London
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Jul 25, 2017

I don't often look through the list of people who've visited my profile but 90% of them seem to be looking at me via www.baidu.com, which is a Chinese ISP.

Since Chinese is not one of my languages and I have never done any business with China, I'm wondering whether unscrupulous people in China are trawling through all the profiles of everyone in Proz, with the aim of searching for personal information, email addresses, CVs, etc?

I would welcome the views of others.


 

Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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Crawler Jul 25, 2017

Same here. Probably just their crawlers checking and indexing ProZ content... (a bit too often)

[Edited at 2017-07-25 11:47 GMT]


 

Tom in London
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Why? Jul 25, 2017

Mirko Mainardi wrote:

Same here. Probably just their crawlers checking and indexing ProZ content... (a bit too often)

[Edited at 2017-07-25 11:47 GMT]


Why do they do that?


 

Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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Search engines Jul 25, 2017

AFAIK, basically to make that content discoverable and therefore searchable through their search engine. Even Google and Microsoft do that, among others, only it seems it's not explicitly mentioned in the "Came From" column.

 

Maija Cirule  Identity Verified
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Their IP addresses show that they do not come from China Jul 25, 2017

most often they come from Los Angeles and other US cities. I don't think that this is a phishing tool but rather a harmless crawler grabbing all it can. In short, something along these lines, right now I have no time to create a better wording.

[Edited at 2017-07-25 12:15 GMT]


 

Tom in London
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YEs but-- Jul 25, 2017

Maija Cirule wrote:

most often they come from Los Angeles and other US cities. I don't think that this is a phishing tool but rather a harmless crawler grabbing all it can.


Yes, but what are they grabbing, and why?


 

Maija Cirule  Identity Verified
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I don't know Jul 25, 2017

Tom in London wrote:

Maija Cirule wrote:

most often they come from Los Angeles and other US cities. I don't think that this is a phishing tool but rather a harmless crawler grabbing all it can.


Yes, but what are they grabbing, and why?


what and why, but my computer guy says that they are harmless and that's enough for me as I am a computer idiot and often cannot understand simplest things:(


 

Gerard de Noord  Identity Verified
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Just a search engine bot Jul 25, 2017

It's just a harmless search engine bot. Mirko explained it quite well.

Cheers,
Gerard


 

Tom in London
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Guy Jul 25, 2017

Maija Cirule wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Maija Cirule wrote:

most often they come from Los Angeles and other US cities. I don't think that this is a phishing tool but rather a harmless crawler grabbing all it can.


Yes, but what are they grabbing, and why?


what and why, but my computer guy says that they are harmless and that's enough for me as I am a computer idiot and often cannot understand simplest things:(


As a Mac user I don't have a "computer guy" (not needed). Why would these crawlers be crawling if there's no reason behind it? Surely it's done with a purpose? I'm very concerned about the increasing penetrability of internet systems that are supposed to be secure. Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


 

Thomas Pfann  Identity Verified
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Purpose Jul 25, 2017

Tom in London wrote:
Why would these crawlers be crawling if there's no reason behind it? Surely it's done with a purpose? I'm very concerned about the increasing penetrability of internet systems that are supposed to be secure.


Of course, it has a purpose: They are indexing web pages. If they (ie. search engines like Bing, Baidu, Yahoo! etc.) started searching the internet every time a user enters a search query, it would take forever to get search results. Instead, they are crawling the internet constantly and systematically.

Tom in London wrote:
Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


No, because that's exactly the kind of activity which ProZ (and most of its users) want (so that they can be found by potential clients).

At least that's my simplified understanding of it.


 

Maija Cirule  Identity Verified
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Maybe Jul 25, 2017

Tom in London wrote:

Maija Cirule wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Maija Cirule wrote:

most often they come from Los Angeles and other US cities. I don't think that this is a phishing tool but rather a harmless crawler grabbing all it can.


Yes, but what are they grabbing, and why?


what and why, but my computer guy says that they are harmless and that's enough for me as I am a computer idiot and often cannot understand simplest things:(


As a Mac user I don't have a "computer guy" (not needed). Why would these crawlers be crawling if there's no reason behind it? Surely it's done with a purpose? I'm very concerned about the increasing penetrability of internet systems that are supposed to be secure. Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


a tin foil hat and a hefty shot of gin and tonic would do the trick:)?

[Edited at 2017-07-25 17:11 GMT]


 

Tom in London
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OIC Jul 25, 2017

Thomas Pfann wrote:

Tom in London wrote:
Why would these crawlers be crawling if there's no reason behind it? Surely it's done with a purpose? I'm very concerned about the increasing penetrability of internet systems that are supposed to be secure.


Of course, it has a purpose: They are indexing web pages. If they (ie. search engines like Bing, Baidu, Yahoo! etc.) started searching the internet every time a user enters a search query, it would take forever to get search results. Instead, they are crawling the internet constantly and systematically.

Tom in London wrote:
Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


No, because that's exactly the kind of activity which ProZ (and most of its users) want (so that they can be found by potential clients).

At least that's my simplified understanding of it.


(I think).

Thanks.


 

Teresa Borges
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Baidu Jul 25, 2017

They have been visiting my profile as well and Chinese is not one of my languages…

 

Matthias Brombach  Identity Verified
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Yes, they should: Jul 25, 2017

Tom in London wrote:
Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


... because those entries disturb the view into that part of my proz profile. I regularly check the IP visitor lookups by their region of origin to match them with requests from yet unknown outsourcers, as a part of my risk management (and out of sheer curiosity). It would be useful to implement a filter for plain baidu.com for all members who want to get rid of it. The filter shall not be part of a "plus" membership icon_wink.gif

[Edited at 2017-07-25 13:16 GMT]


 

Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
Italy
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"Search engines" tab Jul 25, 2017

Matthias Brombach wrote:

Tom in London wrote:
Shouldn't Proz be doing something to prevent this kind of activity?


... because those entries disturb the view into that part of my proz profile. I regularly check the IP visitor lookups by their region of origin to match them with requests from yet unknown outsourcers, as a part of my risk management (and out of sheer curiosity). It would be useful to implement a filter for plain baidu.com for all members who want to get rid of it. The filter shall not be part of a "plus" membership icon_wink.gif


Hmm... on second thought, crawlers should already be filtered out and listed under the "Search engine" tab... so maybe those visits are in fact from real people using the Chinese search engine?


 
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