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Should SDL AutoSuggest function be included in the Freelance edition too?
Thread poster: Markus Wahlgren

Markus Wahlgren  Identity Verified
Sweden
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Apr 23, 2009

Got news from SDL today and I was so happy to see all the great updates in the upcoming 2009 version of the Trados suite ( http://www.translationzone.com/en/Products/sdl-trados-freelance/sdl-trados-2009-studio/ )

And I was prepared to pay the pre-upgrade price - €225.00 - althou I think it is a bit steep for an upgrade.

One of the new things is something I have been wanting for so long, a really useful upgrade that would save me a lot of time: AutoSuggest.

As happy as I was to find out about this excellent upgrade, as sad I am now to find out the truth.

Hidden deep down in the FAQ, I found out that only the Pro version (an upgrade @ €2,241.00!) allows you to use this function fully. Sure, you can still use it with dictionaries that other Pro owners have created for you. But we all know that it in reality it means the function is useless for most of us.

I challenge SDL Trados to include this function in the Freelance edition too.

I will not upgrade my Trados Suite unless they do -- and *I urge all of you to do the same* in protest against Trados locking most of us (their bread and butter) from their products.

Who is with me?

[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2009-04-23 19:34 GMT]


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
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Edited Apr 23, 2009

I misunderstood the matter, so I am deleting my previous comment. Sorry folks!

[Edited at 2009-04-24 07:50 GMT]


 

Stanislav Pokorny  Identity Verified
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Quite important Apr 23, 2009

If you upgrade, you automatically lose the license to the previous version. Although I know SDL Studio is of course TTX-compatible, I'm not willing to abandon TWB and TE that quickly. Neither am I prepared to purchase a new, completely separate license. Will wait till translation agencies start using Studio, which is probably going to take a while.

 

Claudia Alvis  Identity Verified
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Thanks for the clarifications Apr 23, 2009

Markus Wahlgren wrote:



One of the new things is something I have been wanting for so long, a really useful upgrade that would save me a lot of time: AutoSuggest.

As happy as I was to find out about this excellent upgrade, as sad I am now to find out the truth.

Hidden deep down in the FAQ, I found out that only the Pro version (an upgrade @ €2,241.00!) allows you to use this function fully. Sure, you can still use it with dictionaries that other Pro owners have created for you. But we all know that it in reality it means the function is useless for most of us.

I challenge SDL Trados to include this function in the Freelance edition too.


That does take away a lot of the novelty and the feature of Studio I actually liked the most. Also, I didn't know that upgrading would cause TWB and TE to stop working. Stanislav, are you sure? I was gonna pre-upgrade but I'm with you Markus, not anymore. What bothers me the most is that the information on TWB and TE's licenses is not on the upgrade page.


 

Vito Smolej
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My two cents on greed, market structure and freelancing Apr 23, 2009

Markus Wahlgren wrote:
...Hidden deep down in the FAQ, I found out that only the Pro version (an upgrade @ €2,241.00!) allows you to use this function fully...


I find using the word "greed" way out of line.

1. It is too expensive to pay for, but good to have? Have a cake, and eat it too?

2. 225€ is pizza money for the majority of freelancers - assuming of course the product is no lemon. And I guess 2241€ is pizza money for the target market, for the major league players. Freelancers, we're the kiddy league, the softball players. For SDL it's two different target markets - they know well, where they sell into and for what money.

3. Moving up into major leagues may be a dream for some among us and it would probably involve moving up the SDL portfolio ladder as well - a chicken and egg problem, I admit. As for me, I am a chicken and will wait for the proverbial egg.

And now, let the early adopters step up to the plate...

Regards

Vito


 

Marinus Vesseur  Identity Verified
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Cheaper way to get SDL Trados Studio 2009 Apr 23, 2009

Hi

Just a hint in case you're thinking about the pre-upgrade. I you use a Canadian billing address, the price is less than 100 euros at the moment.


 

Vito Smolej
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relatively speaking ... Apr 23, 2009

Marinus Vesseur wrote:
If you use a Canadian billing address, the price is less than 100 euros at the moment.

you mean, it's 100€ cheaper.


Vito

PS: Or has (gulp) CAD fallen so much lately, that 2470CAD is lesss than 100€?? (bye, my pension plan bye, bye).


 

Stanislav Pokorny  Identity Verified
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Waiting for confirmation Apr 23, 2009

Claudia Alvis wrote:
Also, I didn't know that upgrading would cause TWB and TE to stop working. Stanislav, are you sure? What bothers me the most is that the information on TWB and TE's licenses is not on the upgrade page.


Hi Claudia,
I have posted a question on this in the SDL online chat. No one was online, so I'm still waiting for a reply on this. But it has been SDL's upgrading policy for upgrades between the previous versions, so it is predictable that an upgrade to SDL Studio will be no exception.
I also left a message in the chat suggesting that it would be nice to clarify this in the FAQ section.


 

Lutz Molderings  Identity Verified
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--- Apr 23, 2009

Stanislav,

I already chatted with a Lisa and also a Sophie at SDL today.
I asked them about this limitation regarding the Auto Suggestion feature and they didn't really seem to know what I was talking about.

Lisa finally agreed that there is this limitation with the Freelance version, but said that this is basically irrelevant to a freelancer because we can still integrate our Multiterm termbases.

I don't quite understand this.
If I can use my old termbases with Auto Suggest feature, why have they developed some new dictionary feature that is only available in the Pro version?


 

Stanislav Pokorny  Identity Verified
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Hm... Apr 23, 2009

Hi Lutz,
this sounds a "little" confusing to me. Indeed. Perhaps Gareth could add some comment on this issue, as well as on the upgrade licensing question.


 

Alex Lilo
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Markus Apr 23, 2009

I am with Markus.

 

Claudia Alvis  Identity Verified
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Should SDL AutoSuggest function be included in the Freelance edition too? - YES! Apr 23, 2009

Stanislav, I also left them a messageicon_smile.gif

About the differences between the Pro and the Freelancer, SDL still hasn't decided which features will be part of each version. At least that's what they said yesterday. So let's try to convince them to add that feature to the Freelance version.

Besides, Autosuggestions make much more sense for freelancers rather than agencies.


 

Markus Wahlgren  Identity Verified
Sweden
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Does Trados listen to us? I think you do! Apr 24, 2009

Hi guys!
Happy to see some reactionicon_smile.gif

2241€ may be pizza money to agencies. But to me it buys a heck of a lot of pizza.

The thing is that freelancers are prepared to pay over €200 for an upgrade and we will not get full functionality. As Claudia said before me in the thread, Autocomplete is a functionality that is very useful for freelancers and hence should be included in the upgrade towards us.

I would not say anything if they left out agency functionalities such as network, server TM, project management etc. to the more pricey Pro version.

MS windows come in many flavours and price ranges too. But this is as if they would leave out home user functions in the Home edition and made them exclusively available in the Ultimate version. That's the difference I am talking about, and I am all for commercialism and making money, but this to me seems like a bad business decision.

Hi SDL Trados, I believe you are watching this thread and as you can see, we will love you even more when you decide to include full Autosuggest functionalities in the Freelance versionicon_smile.gif


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
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Pay it if it's really worth the cost Apr 24, 2009

Vito Smolej wrote:
Markus Wahlgren wrote:
...Hidden deep down in the FAQ, I found out that only the Pro version (an upgrade @ €2,241.00!) allows you to use this function fully...

I find using the word "greed" way out of line.
1. It is too expensive to pay for, but good to have? Have a cake, and eat it too?


I agree with Vito in this case. If you expect the new feature to be critical in your work and save you lots of time or help you greatly improve your translation results, the 2K+ euros of the upgrade to Pro will be worth paying. It will be a good investment in the long run.

If the feature is not that useful and it's only a gadget you might use ocassionally, it's very possible that you don't really need it and asking to have it in the low-cost edition Trados is unfair to the rest of us who have been paying Pro licenses for ages...icon_smile.gif


 

Grzegorz Gryc  Identity Verified
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Freelance translator as an idiot... Apr 24, 2009

Lutz Molderings (MSc, BSc) wrote:

I already chatted with a Lisa and also a Sophie at SDL today.
I asked them about this limitation regarding the Auto Suggestion feature and they didn't really seem to know what I was talking about.

A chat with a "live person"?

Lisa finally agreed that there is this limitation with the Freelance version, but said that this is basically irrelevant to a freelancer because we can still integrate our Multiterm termbases.

Yes, the freelance translator is an idiot.

I don't quite understand this.
If I can use my old termbases with Auto Suggest feature, why have they developed some new dictionary feature that is only available in the Pro version?

The problem is SDL is a software maker AND a translation office.
They can't deliver an efficient software for a decent price because they compete with their customers.
They can't provide a good low cost effective solution for freelancers because it prevents the market segmentation the corporation(s) need(s), i.e. the Allmighty Gods and cheap Trados operators.
You see...

BTW.
If the SDL decision is definitive, I'll launch a low cost conversion offer.
I'll have a bunch od SDLT 2009 Pro I don't need.

Cheers
GG

[Edited at 2009-04-24 08:44 GMT]


 
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