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Annett Hieber  Identity Verified
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Dec 23, 2009

As I am not very familiar with Trados I have got the following question:

I have got a manual to translate. However, there are three empty pages at the beginning with only a footer. This footer contains the name of the product/document. It is broken down into individual letters, between these letters there are tags (which I ought not to touch). So, I thought I do not translate these individual letters, but start at the text body itself.

Now I have the problem that I don't know how to "jump" these first three pages without touching the tags of the footers before. I tried to confirm the footer text in order to get to the text body, but that doesn't work. I always get a message something like: "you have added a tag, do you really want to continue".

Suggestions (better: instructions) how to tackle this are very much appreciated!

Annett


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KSL Berlin  Identity Verified
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Context? Dec 23, 2009

What software environment are you using?

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Laurent KRAULAND  Identity Verified
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Have you tried... Dec 23, 2009

the TagEditor feature "Copy source"? Normally it does not add any tag(s) in the target segment(s).

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Annett Hieber  Identity Verified
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Trados 2007 Freelance, Word 2003 Dec 23, 2009

Kevin Lossner wrote:

What software environment are you using?


Sorry, I forgot to mention that. I use the standard Trados 2007 Freelance.

Annett


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Annett Hieber  Identity Verified
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Instead of "open/get"? Dec 23, 2009

Laurent KRAULAND wrote:

the TagEditor feature "Copy source"? Normally it does not add any tag(s) in the target segment(s).


Do you mean I can use the button "copy source" if I only want to go on without translating those individual letters?

Annett


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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In this case I use a very sophisticated and highly complicated method :-) Dec 23, 2009

I copy and paste the thing into the target field. Like in any other software.

Laurent: When the product name / document name contains tags between letters, they usually indicate upper case, italics or other typographical features. They are there for a reason. Why should Annett delete and/or omit such important characteristica by force?


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Stefan de Boeck  Identity Verified
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tag it Dec 23, 2009

Annett Hieber wrote:
This footer contains the name of the product/document. It is broken down into individual letters, between these letters there are tags.


If it looks like this


Ptag Rtag Otag Dtag Utag Ctag T tag Dtag Otag Ctag Utag Mtag Etag Ntag T


you can "simply" translate as:


Ptag Rtag Otag Dtag Utag Ktag T tag Dtag Otag Ktag Utag Mtag Etag Ntag T


Or, after you're done in TagEditor, deal with it in Word (if that is an option).




[Edited at 2009-12-23 19:06 GMT]


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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A question Dec 23, 2009

Stefan de Boeck wrote:

Annett Hieber wrote:
This footer contains the name of the product/document. It is broken down into individual letters, between these letters there are tags.


If it looks like this


Ptag Rtag Otag Dtag Utag Ctag T tag Dtag Otag Ctag Utag Mtag Etag Ntag T


you can "simply" translate as:


Ptag Rtag Otag Dtag Utag Ktag T tag Dtag Otag Ktag Utag Mtag Etag Ntag T


Or, after you're done in TagEditor, deal with it in Word (if that is an option).




[Edited at 2009-12-23 19:06 GMT]


Aren't CAT tools supposed to SAVE time?

[Edited at 2009-12-23 19:23 GMT]


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Annett Hieber  Identity Verified
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Thanks for your suggestions Dec 23, 2009

So, as I take it, it is not usual to have a text processed like this. I will try the different options and see what works best!

But, I agree with Nicole, I thought CAT-tools are meant to save time, not pose additional or new problems and take more time. I'd prefer only to deal with the translation itself.

Thanks to you all and

M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S !!!

Annett

[Edited at 2009-12-23 19:42 GMT]


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Merry Christmas, Annett! Dec 23, 2009

Und einen guten Rutsch!

Sorry - English. Happy New Year!

Best,

Nicole


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Stefan de Boeck  Identity Verified
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two seconds Dec 23, 2009

Nicole Schnell wrote:
Aren't CAT tools supposed to SAVE time?


How come you’re thinking this takes time? Not very Schnell, Nicole.


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Easy. Dec 23, 2009

Stefan de Boeck wrote:

Nicole Schnell wrote:
Aren't CAT tools supposed to SAVE time?


How come you’re thinking this takes time? Not very Schnell, Nicole.



I use CAT tools like an adjustable car seat, a remote control or an answering machine. I use the features that I like and that make my life easier. But I am not turning into a slave of any software.

I have seen people not being able to type on their keyboard any longer after completion of their typing course, fingers hovering above A-S-D-F, etc., instead of finally typing the desired letter because they were way too afraid of not using the right finger and doing it right. Nonsense.

CAT tools are neat in terms of translation memory - especially when translating web sites with recurring headlines and such or press releases with recurring intros for the umpteenth time.

When it comes to typography, however, and all the annoying tags involved, they are slowing me down.


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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@Stefan: Remarks about my last name Dec 24, 2009

Stefan de Boeck wrote:

Nicole Schnell wrote:
Aren't CAT tools supposed to SAVE time?


How come you’re thinking this takes time? Not very Schnell, Nicole.


Please refrain from using my or anyone's last name for your little jokes. Hey, I had to move around the world to get this one. My previous last name was Dutch, BTW.


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Laurent KRAULAND  Identity Verified
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Indeed Dec 24, 2009

Nicole Schnell wrote:

I copy and paste the thing into the target field. Like in any other software.

Laurent: When the product name / document name contains tags between letters, they usually indicate upper case, italics or other typographical features. They are there for a reason. Why should Annett delete and/or omit such important characteristica by force?


I meant "Copy source" into the target field by clicking on the appropriate button in the TagEditor, so caps, italics, bolds, warts and all (and of course the corresponding tags!) are taken over in the target segment. So there is no question of having tags added/removed and possibly no error message from TagEditor about more or less tags in the target than in the source...

[Edited at 2009-12-24 06:53 GMT]


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Annett Hieber  Identity Verified
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I'll try this one! Dec 24, 2009

Laurent KRAULAND wrote:

Nicole Schnell wrote:

I copy and paste the thing into the target field. Like in any other software.

Laurent: When the product name / document name contains tags between letters, they usually indicate upper case, italics or other typographical features. They are there for a reason. Why should Annett delete and/or omit such important characteristica by force?


I meant "Copy source" into the target field by clicking on the appropriate button in the TagEditor, so caps, italics, bolds, warts and all (and of course the corresponding tags!) are taken over in the target segment. So there is no question of having tags added/removed and possibly no error message from TagEditor about more or less tags in the target than in the source...

[Edited at 2009-12-24 06:53 GMT]


Thank you, Laurent, I will try that, it sounds good.

Have a nice Christmas!

Annett


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