How to translate InDesign "v" tags in TagEditor ?
Thread poster: Alexandre Oberlin

Alexandre Oberlin  Identity Verified
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Jan 2, 2011

Hi all,

I am translating InDesign files using Tag Editor.
I need to translate tags of the following form:

However I don't find such v tags in the DTD settings manager elements.
How can I translate those tags ? Any hint appreciated.

Cheers,

Alexandre


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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What are "V" tags? Jan 2, 2011

Sorry, but even being quite experienced in dealing with tags, I do not know what those tags should be.
This said I must also add, that tags are NOT translatable by default. You can only translate some tag attributes.
And on top there is NO DTD setting for InDesign. So please provide more information about your problem.


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Alexandre Oberlin  Identity Verified
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Oops! Tag text disappeared in post Jan 3, 2011

Hi Jerzy,

Thanks for your reply. I did not notice that the tag example I gave had disappeared in my post. Now it looks like using HTML characters allows insertion of angle brackets in forum messages.
So those tags typically appear as:
< v "Frequently used string" 3 >
They were obviously used as macros to reduce typing and typing errors, but some of them contain text that should be translated. Also I have no idea what the number before the closing bracket means.

I have left them untouched, in the hope of being able to use translated tags...

Alexandre



[Edited at 2011-01-03 01:28 GMT]


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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Such tags are not listed in tag reference material Jan 3, 2011

Thank you for this clarification.
Unfortunately such tags are neither listed in the tag reference material for InDesign nor have I seen such.
The problem is, that you cannot translate tags as such.
You would need to modify tag settings in InDesign filter similar to what can be done for "plain" xml files - unfortunately there is no such option...
You might try to change the settings in the C:\ProgramData\SDL International\Filters\IndesignFilter_1_0_0_0.xml file, but TBH I fail to see where.

My workaround would be to translate the file as it is and the edit the resulting target file with a decent text editor, where you will be able to identify such tags. You can use T-Window for clipboard then to get the translations in translation memory (part of Trados 2007).


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Heinrich Pesch  Identity Verified
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Ancillary-file? Jan 3, 2011

Usually such strings are translated in a separate ancillary-file. Then the software will take care of it. The translator just translates what must be translated. If something is missing the client will come back to you.

Regards
Heinrich


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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No anacillary file in InDesign process Jan 3, 2011

There is no ancillary file in the InDesign process, so no chance to get such tags there.
But maybe those strings could be identified in InDesign?


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Client wants TTX file Jan 3, 2011

Thanks a lot Jerzy for your advice, which will at least prevent me from playing with InDesign filters without knowing what I'm doing...
My workaround would be to translate the file as it is and the edit the resulting target file with a decent text editor, where you will be able to identify such tags. You can use T-Window for clipboard then to get the translations in translation memory (part of Trados 2007).

I had considered editing the TTX as a last resort. Now however Heinrich's suggestion looks promising.

Cheers,

Alexandre


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Alexandre Oberlin  Identity Verified
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I indeed have an ancillary file Jan 3, 2011

Many thanks Heinrich for your hint which is the perfect solution if it works!
Usually such strings are translated in a separate ancillary-file. Then the software will take care of it. The translator just translates what must be translated. If something is missing the client will come back to you.

I have already translated the ancillary file and it looks like all the concerned strings are in it. So I just have nothing left to do!

Cheers,

Alexandre


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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Ancillary file for InDesign? Jan 3, 2011

Then the process does not base on INX or I never seen an Ancillary for InDesign...
Sorry for the misleading information then, as we see one will never know everything and will learn for the whole life to pass away even dumber as before


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