SDL Studio 2011 and Linux OS
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Temperance
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Sep 6, 2011

Will Trados 2011 be compatible with Linux operating systems?

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esperantisto  Identity Verified
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No Sep 6, 2011

Trados of any version is for Microsoft Windows only.

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Omar Lobao  Identity Verified
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Strange... Sep 6, 2011

Maybe someone of SDL Trados can explain why?!?

But as Linux (and Apple computers) are considered the most reliable computers for professionals, why (again) trados will not be compatible with Linux (and apple)??

I think at this moment can be one of the best "features" that trados can "offer" to their client!!!


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Impossible! Sep 6, 2011

Most of CAT tools are proprietary products and they don't support any open source operating systems. Neither does TRADOS nor do Déja Vu X2, ACROSS, Wordfast, MemoQ and so on and so forth.

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Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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CAT tools supporting Linux Sep 6, 2011

AFAIK Wordfast Pro, Swordfish, CafeTran and some other CAT tools do support Linux by virtue of being Java apps. Wordfast Classic supports Linux indirectly since it works inside Word which can be run under Wine or Crossover Office.

Then there is always OmegaT though I personally wouldn't be able to do serious work in it.


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Professionals? Sep 6, 2011

Omar Lobao wrote:
But as Linux (and Apple computers) are considered the most reliable computers for professionals, why (again) trados will not be compatible with Linux (and apple)??

I think at this moment can be one of the best "features" that trados can "offer" to their client!!!


The CAT market is not that big... Considering that Linux and Mac are used only on a tiny percentage of desktop computers, development for those systems does not make any economic sense.

Moreover, the most common source format is Microsoft Word. Some CATs will not even process the files if the suite is not installed, translators need it to check the final result, so Windows is a must anyway.

Neyle wrote:
Most of CAT tools are proprietary products and they don't support any open source operating systems.


There is no direct relation: there are many proprietary programs which can be used with open source systems and, obviously, open source programs which can run on proprietary systems. Of course, the fact that Linux users expect most software to be free, just like the system, does not make the market more promising...


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Temperance
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Not free but compatible Sep 7, 2011

Sorry but I don't agree that " Linux and Mac are used only on a tiny percentage of desktop computers" and that a "development for those systems does not make any economic sense" because I think that there's a growing number of Linux users among people and professionals.

Moreover, I do not expect Studio 2011 to be free at all! I can and I would pay for it as I do right now with some CD-ROM dictionaries I have that are compatible with Linux.

The fact that the operating system is free doesn't mean that each programme must be free...

I would suggest that SDL thinks about this problem in the future, because this compatibility could, in my opinion, increase the number of Trados users.

By the way, thank you for the answers.


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Temperance wrote:

Sorry but I don't agree that " Linux and Mac are used only on a tiny percentage of desktop computers" and that a "development for those systems does not make any economic sense"


Whether you agree with them or not, the facts remain facts. OSX has a global market share of around 5%, and all linux distros combined have even less. That's not a lot when the CAT market isn't that huge to begin with. Now think about how much development time it would take to rewrite Trados to make it platform agnostic (now it relies on windows-specific things like .NET). Also think about the extra effort that would need to go into development/testing and customer support for every future release, all for a 5-8% larger potential target audience.
It's hardly a surprise that SDL isn't interested.


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What we really want Sep 7, 2011

is cloud-based, platform independent software. Which is the way the world is going. SDL are apparently doing some cloud stuff but not Studio. And I can't find any hint that they are planning it either.

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no thanks Sep 7, 2011

Gillian Searl wrote:

is cloud-based, platform independent software. Which is the way the world is going. SDL are apparently doing some cloud stuff but not Studio. And I can't find any hint that they are planning it either.


My experience with cloud-based services (Trados server TMs, Dropbox, Google docs, Spotify etc) is that there's always some kind of network problems just when you need the service the most. IMO cloud services are good for backups etc, but not for real-time work, unless someone can invent an internet that never breaks down

And I have no issues regarding the stability and professionality of Windows 7.
I've tried Ubuntu Linux on a few occasions (mostly for making music), but i'd never use it for any real work, too much hassle and no real support (unless you enjoy reading hostile forum posts by linux nerds).

- Torsten


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Studio Online and the Cloud Sep 7, 2011

Gillian Searl wrote:

is cloud-based, platform independent software. Which is the way the world is going. SDL are apparently doing some cloud stuff but not Studio. And I can't find any hint that they are planning it either.


Hi Gillian,

Maybe take a look at this for the work we have been develolping for Studio in a browser:

http://www.sdl.com/en/language-technology/products/translation-management/sdl-tms/studio-online-2011/default.asp

The functionality is incredibly rich for a browser based application and it will become available for all of our Enterprise solutions. Working in a browser allows it to work on Linux or anything else of course... but I am in agreement with some of the comments already made in this thread that there is really no business model for us to invest the time in developing Studio to run natively in these environments. I know a few, not many, users who already run Studio on Linux and a MAC but through the use of virtualisation software.

Then of course we also have SDL BeGlobal:

http://www.sdl.com/en/language-technology/products/automated-translation/sdl-beglobal.asp

This is an exciting and growing area that is very focused on the cloud and does have good integration with Studio 2011 for utilising machine translation as well as post editing to help improve the quality of trained machine engines for specific verticals.

We have also set up an Innovation in the Cloud centre where you can learn a little more and get involved if you are interested:

http://events.unisfair.com/index.jsp?eid=741&seid=22

Just a few things for your interest.

Regards

Paul


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So it does exist then? Sep 7, 2011

Thanks for that Paul. I have just been looking at BeGlobal - which is MT, if I understand it correctly. But having Studio via a browser makes a lot of sense to me. I could work anywhere on any computer I want to and not be limited to a Windows PC.
Gillian


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You might be interested in this Gillian Sep 7, 2011

Gillian Searl wrote:

Thanks for that Paul. I have just been looking at BeGlobal - which is MT, if I understand it correctly. But having Studio via a browser makes a lot of sense to me. I could work anywhere on any computer I want to and not be limited to a Windows PC.
Gillian


http://www.sdl.com/en/about-us/press-room/news/2011/sdl-cloud-translation-solutions.asp


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Teufelskreis Sep 10, 2011

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but I am in agreement with some of the comments already made in this thread that there is really no business model for us to invest the time in developing Studio to run natively in these environments.


Although I understand your way of thinking, this is the kind of opinion that prevents our global society from liberating from the almighty Windows (the weakest link in our electronic world)....

Revolutionary talks aside, as a german would say, this is the typical "Teufelskreis" (vicious circle).

And why a vicious circle? I have Linux and don't intend to buy Windows but > my clients demand Trados> Trados only works on Windows>I have to buy Windows in order to be able to use Trados and meet my clients' demands> Windows grows in the translation market>other OSs lose force in the translation market> SDL doesn't see a business opportunity for linux and they keep to Windows>Newcoming translators have no money so they adopt Linux>their clients demand Trados> I think you can figure out the rest........
Talk about perpetuating the error......

Moreover, if there were no business models other than those that include use of Windows I guess Microsoft wouldn't have given itself the trouble of developing an Office for Mac, right? Plus, nowadays there are a lot of companies working on third-party paid software for linux and they seem to be getting along just fine!

Ever thought that an actual Linux/Mac release for Trados could increase the number of translators using Linux/Mac or that this "impediment" is preventing those translators from using these OS more frequently? I tell you, if it weren't for this limitation, I wouldn't have to have two computers, one for windows (which I mainly use for Trados) and one for Linux (for everything else).

Kind regards to you all,

David

PS: I always thought that the best way for a company to evolve and be successful was to search for or even create new markets or help them develop...but hey... I'm just a translator, not an economist...


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