Agency asking for a special version of Trados
Thread poster: Carmen Grabs

Carmen Grabs
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Aug 22, 2012

Dear all,

I am starting to work with Trados 2011. Now I have come across job offers asking explicitly for Trados 2009 or 2007.

Can I offer my services? Does it mean "only" 2007/2009, or does it mean everything from 2007/2009 and higher is ok?

Thank you for your help.

Carmen


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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One guess Aug 22, 2012

Carmen Grabs wrote:
I am starting to work with Trados 2011. Now I have come across job offers asking explicitly for Trados 2009 or 2007.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

Trados 2011 is basically an updated version of Trados 2009, so if they want 2009, you can use 2011 and not notice the difference.

Trados 2007 is an older version of Trados, and although you can translate Trados 2007 document in Trados 2011, you can't really claim to have it (since you won't be able to perform all of its functions). Also, one of the formats that Trados 2007 suppors is the "old" uncleaned RTF format. If you have Trados 2007, you can create new and translate existing uncleaned RTF files. With Trados 2009 and 2011, you can only translate existing uncleaned RTF files, but not create new ones.

Can I offer my services? Does it mean "only" 2007/2009, or does it mean everything from 2007/2009 and higher is ok?


It means that the client might or might not mind if you don't have 2007, so why not apply for the job, and be clear about what you have and don't have?


 

Carmen Grabs
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Yes and no :) Aug 22, 2012

Hi Samuel,

thank you very much for your reply.

Good to know about the difference between 2007 and 2009. So I am ok with 2009 then.

I just remember the one client writing that Trados 2007 MUST be used, and now I understand why.

Can you still buy 2007? As an "update" to 2011? Or does that not make sense?

Carmen


 

Yasutomo Kanazawa  Identity Verified
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2007 comes with SDL2011 Aug 22, 2012

Carmen Grabs wrote:

Hi Samuel,

thank you very much for your reply.

Good to know about the difference between 2007 and 2009. So I am ok with 2009 then.

I just remember the one client writing that Trados 2007 MUST be used, and now I understand why.

Can you still buy 2007? As an "update" to 2011? Or does that not make sense?

Carmen


If I'm not mistaken, if you buy SDL 2011, Trados 2007 comes together in one package. SDL has stopped upgrading 2007, and they're gradually moving to SDL. Eventually 2007 will disappear.


 

Olly Pekelharing  Identity Verified
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Workbench included with Studio Aug 22, 2012

When I bought Studio 2009 the workbench (2007) was included. If the same applies to Studio 2011, you should be able to login to your account at Trados and download the workbench under 'My downloads'.

 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Me too, but... Aug 22, 2012

Olly Pekelharing wrote:
When I bought Studio 2009 the workbench (2007) was included.


Me too, but I thought that that was just a time-limited offer, and you had to buy a certain version of 2009 to get 2007 included as well. What is the current situation? Do people who buy 2009 or 2011 still get 2007 in the deal? I thought that ship had sailed.


 

Lorenzo Bermejo
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advise Aug 22, 2012

hi,
you got Trados 2007 for free when you bought Studio 2009.
but now you have to pay an extra fee for it when you buy Studio 2011.

Carmen,
I don't think you can open return packages done with Studio 2011 in Studio 2009.
what you CAN do is open the translation target files, with the extension .sdlxliff, both in Studio 2011 and Studio 2009.


 

SDL Community  Identity Verified
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The ship has sailed... Aug 22, 2012

... with 2009 we still needed 2007 to perform some functions. 2011 is more standalone, although you are correct in that 2007 will handle more legacy things like Bilingual RTF. Actually Studio won't handle a Bilingual RTF at all, it has to be a Bilingual Doc or Docx.

You can use an OpenExchange application to convert your Studio Bilingual file to a Bilingual Doc/Docx and this may meet the needs of many customers, but good to make sure first. The only reliable way to get a Trados Bilingual Doc that meets 100% of the possibilities a customer might want the Bilingual Doc for is to use Trados.

If you purchase 2011 today, rather than upgrade an old version of Trados, then you don't get 2007 automatically included but there are offers occasionally through ProZ where this happens, or you can purchase separately either through ProZ or Translationzone:

http://www.proz.com/tgb

http://www.translationzone.com/en/translator-products/

Regards

Paul


 

SDL Community  Identity Verified
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Incorrect... Aug 22, 2012

Lorenzo Bermejo wrote:

I don't think you can open return packages done with Studio 2011 in Studio 2009.
what you CAN do is open the translation target files, with the extension .sdlxliff, both in Studio 2011 and Studio 2009.



Hi,

In Studio 2011 you can create packages for 2011 or 2009:


So as loing as the person creating the packages from 2011 uses the right format you can handle the work from a package in 2009 or 2011.

In relation to your comment, Studio can open packages from 2009 or 2011 and when you create the return package the same format is automatically used. So if you receive a package from 2009 and translate it in 2011 you will be able to create your return package as normal and the format will be suitable for 2009.

Regards

Paul


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Opening project packages Aug 22, 2012

SDL Support wrote:
In Studio 2011 you can create packages for 2011 or 2009:


Do I understand correctly that if the project package was created in 2011 without using the option to create it for 2009, then you can't open it in 2009?

Also, do I understand correctly that project package is not the same as SDLXLIFF file, so that the information regarding project packages does not apply to the creation and/or editing of SDLXLIFF files? Or is SDLXLIFF files created by 2011 incompatible with 2009?


 

SDL Community  Identity Verified
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Information... Aug 23, 2012

Samuel Murray wrote:

Do I understand correctly that if the project package was created in 2011 without using the option to create it for 2009, then you can't open it in 2009?



Hi Samuel,

Correct. 2011 is backward compatible in this regard but 2009 isn't forward compatible. So 2011 provides for the creation of packages in both formats.

Samuel Murray wrote:

Also, do I understand correctly that project package is not the same as SDLXLIFF file, so that the information regarding project packages does not apply to the creation and/or editing of SDLXLIFF files? Or is SDLXLIFF files created by 2011 incompatible with 2009?



Probably an explanation is more useful here. An sdlppx, or Studio package, can contain sdlxliff files, reference files, translation memories, termbases and does contain metadata relating to specific settings used when creating the project. The sdlxliff file is simply a bilingual file based on the xliff standard.

If you create an sdlxliff file in Studio 2011 then it can be translated using 2009, and vice versa. Some things that the 2011 version may contain that 2009 won't know about could be tracked changes, or an embedded filetype that was not available when 2009 was developed, but you can still translate the sdlxliff and send it back. 2009 will simply ignore the tracked changes (so this may be an unsuitable option in some workflows as 2011 can read tracked changes in both source and target) and if the filetype is different you won't be able to preview or save the target from 2009... but this would be the same problem in creating a custom filetype in 2009 and sending the sdlxliff around without the filetype or outside of a package. Otherwise it's no problem.

Is this clear?

Regards

Paul


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Re track changes Aug 23, 2012

SDL Support wrote:
Some things that the 2011 version may contain that 2009 won't know about could be tracked changes ... 2009 will simply ignore the tracked changes (so this may be an unsuitable option in some workflows as 2011 can read tracked changes in both source and target)...


Yes, I see a similar thing happening in TXML, if a file was edited in WFP 3.1 (which has revisions) and then in WFP 3.0 (which simply ignores the tracks), it can look as if one person had edited the file whereas in fact the edit was done by someone else, because the earlier version doesn't update the tracking information yet updates the content.


 


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