Translating an IDML file in Trados
Thread poster: Tim Ganassi

Tim Ganassi
Spain
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Nov 15, 2016

Hello,

I'm translating an IDML project (a book segmented in several files) in Trados for the first time.
At the beginning of each file, there are segments that don't seem to match to any visible content as far as I can see when I open the IDML file in Illustrator or when I look at the physical book or PDF scan. Should these segments be translated or are they some kind of embedded information? I'm a little confused...

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Mario Chavez  Identity Verified
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IDML files are InDesign interchange files Nov 15, 2016

…not Illustrator files. IDML files compile the document's structure differently; that's why you don't see the cover page or the table of contents at the top (or beginning) of the document in SDL Trados.

Did your client gave you information about the Adobe program and version this IDML file was exported from?
Are you required to typeset the IDML document after the translation?

Regards,


Mario


 

Tim Ganassi
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InDesign Nov 15, 2016

Thanks for your reply, Mario. I'm sorry, yes, I actually meant InDesign, not Illustrator.

The client has his own graphic designer who will reimport the IDML in InDesign with all the images etc. But the graphic designer doesn't know anything about Trados, and I don't know anything about InDesign. Basically, I just want to know if I should translate the few "translatable" words within these segments or leave them as they are. In the screenshot I attached, words such as "on page", for example, look like code.

The far right column next to these segments indicates "XRF+".


 

Mario Chavez  Identity Verified
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Do you have the PDF file? Nov 15, 2016

Tim Ganassi wrote:

Thanks for your reply, Mario. I'm sorry, yes, I actually meant InDesign, not Illustrator.

The client has his own graphic designer who will reimport the IDML in InDesign with all the images etc. But the graphic designer doesn't know anything about Trados, and I don't know anything about InDesign. Basically, I just want to know if I should translate the few "translatable" words within these segments or leave them as they are. In the screenshot I attached, words such as "on page", for example, look like code.

The far right column next to these segments indicates "XRF+".


The text on page is translatable text, but the only way to be sure is to have the PDF file to use as a guide. If your client hasn't provided you with the PDF file, kindly request it, as you will need it to make these determinations (what is DTP code and what is text).

Good luck.

Mario


 

Tim Ganassi
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Paper book Nov 15, 2016

Thanks Mario!
I don't have any pdf version but I actually have the paper version of the book and the words "on page" don't show up anywhere, that's why I was surprised in first place. I'm guessing that "on page" is indeed part of the DTP code then.

Thanks,
Tim


 

Nora Diaz  Identity Verified
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Look at the document structure in Studio Nov 15, 2016

You should be able to leave anything that has XRF+ (cross reference formats) as the document structure, on the far right of your segment, as it doesn't affect visible text.

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In fact, if you go to the IDML file type settings, you can uncheck the box next to Extract cross reference formats and these segments will not be extracted by Studio.

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Mario Chavez  Identity Verified
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Nice tip Nov 15, 2016

Thanks, Nora. As I don't use SDL Trados to work on my IDML files, it's good to know how to do without the crossreferences. Something useful for project managers as well.

I don't get to see those [code] on page [code] since a) I work with InDesign documents on InDesign but I translate the IDML files (which I create) in Déjà Vu X3 instead.


 

Tim Ganassi
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Look at the document structure in Studio Nov 15, 2016

Thank you so much for your insight Nora!
Best,
Tim


 

carmialt164a
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Document Structure - how to add InDesign styles in Trados Style Nov 16, 2017

I just started translating IDML files and there are tags separating every word. Seems like it happens when the style is not "No paragraph style"

the tags are < cf size="7" bold="true"nfa="true">

So instead of being San Francisco
I get < cf size="7" bold="true"nfa="true">Sa < cf size="7" bold="true"nfa="true">n < cf size="7" bold="true"nfa="true"> F< cf size="7" bold="true"nfa="true">ra ...

Thank you in advance








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MARIO LOZANO GARCIA  Identity Verified
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how to export an idml translated file in Trados once I finished? Mar 19

Hi there!

I've just finished translating a idml file but I don't know how to export it again once this is finished. I thought that it was included in the return package but it isn't. I tried to save as but this option is off...

Can anybody help me?

Thanks in advance.

Mario


 

Roy Oestensen  Identity Verified
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Did you receive the idm file from the customer, or a Studio package? Mar 19

MLGcia wrote:
I've just finished translating a idml file but I don't know how to export it again once this is finished. I thought that it was included in the return package but it isn't. I tried to save as but this option is off...
Mario


As I understand it, the return package includes the sdlxliff files in the project, not the translated source files. So you should be OK if you create a return package and send the package off. Then the customer will export the translated idm file when they have received the package from you.

Roy


 

Roy Oestensen  Identity Verified
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The segments would normally be text in links to tables or figures in the file Mar 19

Tim Ganassi wrote:
I'm translating an IDML project (a book segmented in several files) in Trados for the first time.
At the beginning of each file, there are segments that don't seem to match to any visible content as far as I can see when I open the IDML file in Illustrator or when I look at the physical book or PDF scan. Should these segments be translated or are they some kind of embedded information? I'm a little confused...


In the project itself you would normally see these hyperlinks as tags. But you should translate them the normal way.

One problem is, of course, if the segment says something like
Figure .
Then it would be somewhat unclear is you should use upper case or lower case in "Figure". My experience seems to indicate that you should use lower case if your language demands that in such segments as
See , where "Figure" comes from the earlier segment at the top.

Roy


 


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