From Windows ME +Office 97 + Trados 6.5 Freelance to Office 2003
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Daniela Zambrini  Identity Verified
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Jun 27, 2005

Hello there!
Before I do anything wild and irreparable, which steps should I take to upgrade my Office version (from 97 to 2003)?
Should I uninstall Trados 6.5 and then install Office 2003 version or will the new version automatically recognise all the relevant Trados information (toolbars, etc.?)
I have read some forums concerning some sort of incompatibility between Trados freelance 6.5 and Office 2003, and I'm worried I might get stuck somewhere along the process....with no escape!
(I have already saved all my TM on another hard-disk just in case, I imagine it is not necessary but better safe than sorry).
Any (easy) suggestions welcome Thanks in advance, DZ


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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I'd worry about Windows ME, actually... Jun 27, 2005

Hi Daniela,
IMO there is no need to deinstall Trados, however, you will need to copy trados6.dot to the startup folder for Word 2003.

I'm not aware of any incompatibility between Office 2003 and Trados 6.5 (in fact, 6.5 was the first version to support Office 2003) - have you installed the latest patches (to build 441)?

In fact, what worries me is Windows ME - are you sure you want to stick with that operating system?

Best regards,
Ralf


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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I would strongly recommend upgrading to Windows XP first Jun 27, 2005

You can have Windows XP for slight above 100 Dollar, or even cheaper if you take the Home Edition, which is fully sufficient as far no networking is concerned.

Windows ME is considered to be one of the worsest operating systems released by Microsoft.

If you decide to upgrade to WinXP do not install it over your old system, but make a clean new installation.

Regards
Jerzy


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Pablo Roufogalis
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Do you have a good reason to upgrade? Jun 28, 2005

Daniela Zambrini wrote:

Hello there!
Before I do anything wild and irreparable, which steps should I take to upgrade my Office version (from 97 to 2003)?
Should I uninstall Trados 6.5 and then install Office 2003 version or will the new version automatically recognise all the relevant Trados information (toolbars, etc.?)
I have read some forums concerning some sort of incompatibility between Trados freelance 6.5 and Office 2003, and I'm worried I might get stuck somewhere along the process....with no escape!
(I have already saved all my TM on another hard-disk just in case, I imagine it is not necessary but better safe than sorry).
Any (easy) suggestions welcome Thanks in advance, DZ

Ciao Daniela.

Do you have a very, very good reason to switch?

There's no safe upgrade. I suggest that you do it in small steps, keeping a full backup of your hard disk each time, not just what you believe that are the important files. A separate HD and software such as Ghost is required. You erase the disk image only after a month of so of use with no issues, and start again with the next upgrade if deemed useful.

I have a very stable system running on W2000/Office 2000 and Trados 6.5 I will not upgrade until I get offered a lot of work that require upgrades. It's not just the money but the risk of downtime and aggravation.

Good luck.

[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2005-06-28 04:15]


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Jerzy Czopik  Identity Verified
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I would say she has at least two good reasons to upgrade Jun 28, 2005

Pablo Roufogalis wrote:
Do you have a very, very good reason to switch?

Well, Windows ME AND Office 97 are very good reasons to go for a better software. Office 97 may be very unstable.


There's no safe upgrade. I suggest that you do it in small steps, keeping a full backup of your hard disk each time, not just what you believe that are the important files. A separate HD and software such as Ghost is required. You erase the disk image only after a month of so of use with no issues, and start again with the next upgrade if deemed useful.

A very good advice, to follow on every upgrade and to use as a backup solution.


I have a very stable system running on W2000/Office 2000 and Trados 6.5 I will not upgrade until I get offered a lot of work that require upgrades. It's not just the money but the risk of downtime and aggravation.

Windows 2000 and Office 2000 are stable, what you definitely cannot say about systems running Office 97. I have not used Windows ME and switched form Win98 directly to Win2000, but Win98 was better than ME. So I do not wonder she wants to upgrade

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Jerzy


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Philippe Etienne  Identity Verified
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No compatibility issues so far between Office 2003 and Trados 6.5 Jun 28, 2005

Hello there,
I upgraded last week to Office 2003 Standard and Trados 6.5 and it works all right. I just moved the Trados template to the Word start-up folder to avoid clicking the template in Templates and add-ins every time. This was part of a larger upgrade after formatting of my system partition, from WinXP SP1, Trados 5.5, DNS 7 and Office 2000 to WinXP SP2, Trados 6.5, DNS 8 and Office 2003. However I would also suggest that you upgrade to WinXP, as it is far more stable than Win Me.
Good luck,
Philippe


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Daniela Zambrini  Identity Verified
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only one reason to switch, really Jun 28, 2005

Hi, and thanks for replying so soon!

The only reason I have to switch from Office 97 to a more recent version is that I don't seem to be able to create xml files from excel 97 to be subsequently uploaded to Multiterm (no xml option in "save as"). I downloaded a few conversion tools but they really felt a bit too complicated for my standards so I thought I could make use of this feature in a more recent Office version.
There might me some other way, but all the manuals and "howtos" refer to glossaries in xml (correct me if I'm wrong, please).

As for Windows ME not being stable, I guess I have been lucky until now, no crashes, no problems, everything has been running smoothly. I had no idea ME was considered to be the worst operating system released.

Thanks again, I'll wait a while for any further suggestions/comments before doing anything risky!

Ciao, DZ


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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Office 97 is *really* outdated... Jun 28, 2005

Hi again,
The only reason I have to switch from Office 97 to a more recent version is that I don't seem to be able to create xml files from excel 97 to be subsequently uploaded to Multiterm (no xml option in "save as"). I downloaded a few conversion tools but they really felt a bit too complicated for my standards so I thought I could make use of this feature in a more recent Office version.

Right and wrong.
The option to save as XML won't produce an import format that's consistent with MTiX - in fact, there's a converter (MT Convert) that does it for you. However, AFAIK you need Excel 2000 or higher to use that converter.

There might me some other way, but all the manuals and "howtos" refer to glossaries in xml (correct me if I'm wrong, please).

Correct - MTiX requires XML import files, but these need to be formatted exactly in line with the definitions in MTiX.

Best, Ralf


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Daniela Zambrini  Identity Verified
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thanks Ralf (I'm still confused, though!) Jun 28, 2005

Ralf Lemster wrote:

Hi again,
The only reason I have to switch from Office 97 to a more recent version is that I don't seem to be able to create xml files from excel 97 to be subsequently uploaded to Multiterm (no xml option in "save as"). I downloaded a few conversion tools but they really felt a bit too complicated for my standards so I thought I could make use of this feature in a more recent Office version.

Right and wrong.
The option to save as XML won't produce an import format that's consistent with MTiX - in fact, there's a converter (MT Convert) that does it for you. However, AFAIK you need Excel 2000 or higher to use that converter.

There might me some other way, but all the manuals and "howtos" refer to glossaries in xml (correct me if I'm wrong, please).

Correct - MTiX requires XML import files, but these need to be formatted exactly in line with the definitions in MTiX.

Best, Ralf


Ok, I don't seem to have MT Convert. However, I followed all the steps explained in http://www.proz.com/doc/149 and the format was (after much effort and trial and error!) exactly in line with the definitions in MTix, but when I got to the final step (saving the speadsheet) I was unable to because excel in Office 97 did not offer the "save as xml" option.
Maybe I should just find out more about MT Convert and save myself the hassle, I really thought that I could create a file with an importable format with a newer version of Office(I'm getting a bit confused and I hope I haven't gone off-topic now).
I am very grateful for your help, thanks again DZ


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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What is your MultiTerm version? Jun 29, 2005

Hi again,
Ok, I don't seem to have MT Convert.

MT Convert has been a part of the standard MTiX installation since summer 2003 - which version of MTiX are you working on? (Full version number including the 'build number', please - go to Help - About... to find out.)

However, I followed all the steps explained in http://www.proz.com/doc/149 and the format was (after much effort and trial and error!) exactly in line with the definitions in MTix, but when I got to the final step (saving the speadsheet) I was unable to because excel in Office 97 did not offer the "save as xml" option.

No wonder you're confused: the import format described there is for MultiTerm 5.x - the MTiX format is much more complex.
Once again, the 'Save as XML' option in Excel won't help you in this context - you will need to use MT Convert (which probably applies that Excel function, but in a different manner.

Maybe I should just find out more about MT Convert and save myself the hassle, I really thought that I could create a file with an importable format with a newer version of Office

Not impossible, but really not worth the effort, given the existence of MT Convert.

Best, Ralf


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Daniela Zambrini  Identity Verified
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Now I understand ... Jun 29, 2005

ok..now I understand, I was trying to follow the wrong instructions!
I checked my version of MT it is 6.01.209, and there I was convinced it was MT ix (just goes to show how I had never used Multiterm before, only Trados Freelance). That's why I kept getting stuck somewhere along the process!
So, besides changing my Office version (and my Operating System sooner or later according to some of the posts) I shall also have to update the CAT tool, unless I want to keep using my separate old-fashioned but faithful glossaries.
Thanks again Ralf for being so helpful, ciao DZ


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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MTiX, but an old version Jun 30, 2005

Good morning, Daniela,
I checked my version of MT it is 6.01.209, and there I was convinced it was MT ix

It is - but it's the first version, which had significant shortcomings (including the inability to convert Excel data).

Given that you're using T6.5, you may have received a later version as part of the installation pack - if not, contact Trados.

Best, Ralf


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Daniela Zambrini  Identity Verified
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I'll check with trados Jul 1, 2005

Sooooo many muddled up files and updates to search through, so if I can't find it I'll check with trados.
Thanks, have a nice week-end


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