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Forum "agree" button released
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Reminded me of this article... Jun 14

Hans Lenting wrote:
It’s a pity that this nice symbol is only known in the Netherlands: https://goo.gl/images/MFc76k


Hi Hans,

Your comment reminded me of an article I read recently which mentions the symbol Apple uses on the command key (⌘): https://milanote.com/the-work/the-story-behind-susan-kares-iconic-design-work-for-apple

“I was just not sure what a ‘feature’ looked like … so I was thumbing through a symbol dictionary and I came across this symbol (⌘). In the back of the book, it said it was for an ‘interesting feature’ at Swedish campgrounds. I thought it was maybe a little abstract, but it worked.”


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Existing solution Jun 14

This is a solution from a British newspaper. I find it easily understandable, even without "Click to rate".

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Many users, myself included, would not understand ‘exotic’ symbols. I generally feel rather lost in user interfaces based only on symbols/icons without text (unless the symbols are widely known). The quote and link symbols used here are fine.


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Nicholas Sahm
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wiwo reacctions Jun 14

Thank you for the feedback. I'm glad I was able to give you a usable feature.

Would reactions make sense in What I'm Working On (WIWO)?
https://www.proz.com/wiwo

If so, what types of reactions would you like? Agree does not make sense there.

Thank you


 

Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
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No Jun 14

Nicholas Sahm wrote:

Would reactions make sense in What I'm Working On (WIWO)?
https://www.proz.com/wiwo


No.

But it would make sense to have a bulk upload feature, as it's too much work for those of us who supply many small jobs to keep WIWO manually updated. What I would like to do is to upload my Excel job lists once a month.


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Hans Lenting  Identity Verified
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Perhaps the curl stands for G(ood) Jun 14

Henry Dotterer wrote:

Hans Lenting wrote:

It’s a pity that this nice symbol is only known in the Netherlands: https://goo.gl/images/MFc76k

This is interesting. Can you tell us more about that symbol? I don't immediately find anything in a search.


Chances are that the curl stands for G(ood):

Where does the curl come from?
Outside the Netherlands, the approval curl is very rare. Even the Belgians do not know the sign.

Katja Keuchenius 9 February 2011

Curl by Matthijs Valent
Dimar van Overdijk from Klaaswaal and Lennart Visser from Rotterdam wonder why, in case of approval, a curlicue, a check mark or a cross is often noted.

Although illiterates often sign with a cross, the history of the origin of the sign has nothing to do with illiteracy, thinks Guus van Breugel. He studies family weapons for the Central Bureau of Genealogy in The Hague, which conducts pedigree research among other things. "The cross, the check mark and the curlicue are a kind of stenoscript.

The approval curl is a relatively new sign. Paul Dijstelberge of the University of Amsterdam, a specialist in book printing, is sure that the curlicue was not used in the 16th and 17th centuries. "The curl probably only emerged in the 19th century, together with the bureaucracy. ”

Several historians and linguists think that the curl is probably a fast written letter G. It stands for Good or Seen. Outside the Netherlands, the approval curl is very rare. Even the Belgians do not know the sign. This was recently discovered by former publisher Rik Schutz van Dale when he wanted to put a picture of a large curl in front of the spelling guide. After consultation with his Belgian colleagues, he changed the picture to a tick.

The check mark is used internationally. It is a fast-written V. According to Professor of New History Hugo the Creator of the Radboud University Nijmegen, the f't of the Latin word vidit comes, which means 'has seen'. As early as 1531, the Dutch councillors of the emperor Charles V had to sign documents with a V. In this way, they assumed responsibility for the piece.

The cross probably comes from the 15th or 16th century, and was then used as a landmark in documents. Weaponist Guus van Breugel sometimes sees her in the margin of family archives. "The cross then shows that a passage is of personal importance. It then distinguishes itself from, for example, a circle that another family member records in the same administration.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator


Source: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2011/02/09/waar-komt-het-en-vandaan-het-11995186-a946165

On a side note: About the history of the at sign:

One theory is that the symbol developed as a mercantile shorthand symbol of "each at," the symbol resembling a small "a" inside a small "e," to distinguish it from the different "at" (symbolized by the mere letter "a") or "per." For example, the cost of "12 apples @ $1" would be $12, whereas the cost of "12 apples at $1" would be $1, a crucial and necessary distinction.


So, be original, use the curl for good/agreeicon_wink.gif.


 

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Un-Agree Jun 14

Tom in London wrote:
There is no such noun as "an agree" in the English language. If you want awkward, that would be really awkward.


So what do you make of the “Un-Agree” button, Tom?


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Daniel Frisano
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We need more of this Jun 14

I propose "buddy" and "unbuddy" as verbs, and corresponding buttons on everybody's profile.

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NL Krul - EN Curl Jun 14

Henry Dotterer wrote:

Hans Lenting wrote:

It’s a pity that this nice symbol is only known in the Netherlands: https://goo.gl/images/MFc76k

This is interesting. Can you tell us more about that symbol? I don't immediately find anything in a search.


Teachers in the Netherlands used to mark correct answers in tests with this curl. My wife still uses the sign when she proofreads my translations and especially likes a solution or to undo an edit she's made.

I love the proposition Hans made and it would be great if ProZ would perpetuate this distinctive sign.

And, yes, the sign might have been developed from a G for "Goed" (good and right in Dutch).

Cheers,
Gerard

[Edited at 2018-06-14 22:18 GMT]


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Plus one symbol Jun 15

Undermining my own suggestion to use the beautiful curl, here’s another proposal: the Plus one symbol:

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Un-agree? Jun 15

Chris S wrote:

Tom in London wrote:
There is no such noun as "an agree" in the English language. If you want awkward, that would be really awkward.


So what do you make of the “Un-Agree” button, Tom?


Although I advocated for "agrees" over "agreers," that "un-agree" is pretty ghastly, in my opinion.

Now that we have had a couple of days to use the new button, I think that "agree" is actually not the best word for this new feature. As pointed out by others, one may find a post amusing or "like" it, but not necessarily "agree" with it. "Like" would be a better option, but I also think that the thumbs-up (or down) icons suggested by another poster actually make a lot more sense.

As I mentioned above, the "agree" button is not visible on my tablet. I hope the developers can look into why this is (and fix the problem), as I am a lot more likely to use this feature while using a tablet or smart phone since it is not always convenient to type out a post while using mobile devices.


 

Jan Truper
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... Jun 15

Writing this post makes me an agreeculturalist.

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DZiW
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Although Jun 15

Even though one-click virtual socialization and feeling almost important sometimes might seem fancy, is there's an option to remove this fuss from my interface? A 'Block element' template would nicely do.

 

Henry Dotterer
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Plus-one Jun 15

Hans Lenting wrote:

Undermining my own suggestion to use the beautiful curl, here’s another proposal: the Plus one symbol:

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That could work. What would be the symbol (or text) for the action to revoke a "+1"?


 

Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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-1 Jun 15

Henry Dotterer wrote:

That could work. What would be the symbol (or text) for the action to revoke a "+1"?


Too obvious?


 

Kay Denney  Identity Verified
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Agreeing and liking Jun 20

First of all, full disclosure: I'm delighted to see that Proz has taken up my suggestion made on another thread!


[quote]Amel Abdullah wrote:

Chris S wrote:

Now that we have had a couple of days to use the new button, I think that "agree" is actually not the best word for this new feature. As pointed out by others, one may find a post amusing or "like" it, but not necessarily "agree" with it. "Like" would be a better option, but I also think that the thumbs-up (or down) icons suggested by another poster actually make a lot more sense.

As I mentioned above, the "agree" button is not visible on my tablet. I hope the developers can look into why this is (and fix the problem), as I am a lot more likely to use this feature while using a tablet or smart phone since it is not always convenient to type out a post while using mobile devices.


I suggested "Agree" because people were up in arms over the "like" button previously introduced. They were saying it was too much like Facebook. I was arguing that it has its place in a professional forum so that people didn't have to laboriously quote and write "I agree" if they didn't have any fresh insight to add to the discussion. If someone asks a question, there could be five people posting "no", each with a separate, valid reason but nobody agreeing with any of them, then only one person posting "yes" answer, with 10 "agrees". It would be obvious, with only six answers and only one "yes" answer, that "yes" was still what most people would be answering in a poll, since the reason for "yes" obviously trumped all the reasons for "no".

It would be nice to have a "LOL" button too but of course that would not be professional would it!

With "likes", or "upvotes" as I have also seen, it may not be clear whether the person clicking actually agrees or simply got a laugh out of reading a post full of ironic humour (as yours tend to be).


[Edited at 2018-06-20 06:56 GMT]


 
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