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N.M. Eklund  Identity Verified
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May 27, 2009

I'm tinkering with the idea of not buying my new laptop until Windows 7 comes out at the end of the year.

I prefer to avoid Vista, so my choice is either to wait or to buy with Windows XP, knowing that the support for XP will slowly be shut down.

I've tried to research a bit to see if Windows 7 has shown any problems during beta testing, but, aside some seriously incomprehensible techy gobbledygook, I haven't found any.
Basically, if the improvements are not that great, then I just may go for the old XP and buy a computer now. At least XP is not a ravenous system and the computer would handle my applications for longer.


I found on Wikipedia the following, which would be useful when I work:

"Users will also be able to disable many more Windows components than was possible in Windows Vista"
and
" Additionally, when a user drags a window to the edge of the screen, it will snap in place on that half of the screen. This allows users to snap documents or files on either side of the screen to compare them."
and
"There is also a feature that when a user pulls a window to the top of the screen, it automatically maximizes. When a user moves windows that are maximized, the system restores them automatically.
This functionality is also accomplished with keyboard shortcuts. Holding down the Windows key and pressing the up arrow maximizes; pressing down the down arrow minimizes; pressing the left or right arrows snap the windows to the sides of the screen."


My question is, besides these, have any of you heard anything about it? Any new functions, or better functions than Vista? Anything that would be interesting for us translators?


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Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Features? May 27, 2009

N.M. Eklund wrote:


"Users will also be able to disable many more Windows components than was possible in Windows Vista"
and
" Additionally, when a user drags a window to the edge of the screen, it will snap in place on that half of the screen. This allows users to snap documents or files on either side of the screen to compare them."
and
"There is also a feature that when a user pulls a window to the top of the screen, it automatically maximizes. When a user moves windows that are maximized, the system restores them automatically.
This functionality is also accomplished with keyboard shortcuts. Holding down the Windows key and pressing the up arrow maximizes; pressing down the down arrow minimizes; pressing the left or right arrows snap the windows to the sides of the screen."




Sorry if that's a bit off-topic, but I've always wondered why things like these are considered "features"? I'm not a programmer, but I reckon that it shouldn't take one very long to incorporate any of the functions the article mentions in any of the past versions of Windows, back to 3.11? If these functions are considered to be useful enough for users to buy an upgrade, but at the same time could easily be programmed into existing older versions, then this is some kind of rip off, imho...

Ok, rant done. Sorry for hijacking...


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Epameinondas Soufleros  Identity Verified
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Wait for Windows 7 May 27, 2009

At this point, you'd be better off if you waited until laptops with Windows 7 ship: the manufacturers will get hold of the new Microsoft OS in August, and the rest of us will be able to purchase it starting October.

All in all, Windows 7 will be the new XP; just go for it.


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Sergei Leshchinsky  Identity Verified
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Stay with XP SP3 for another 3 years and don't worry May 27, 2009

It has finally become stable. Leave well enough alone.

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I have tried Windows 7 Beta 1 May 28, 2009

There were few things that I didn't liked at all.
First the windowing I didn't like it due to some bugs on repainting the forms.

Second thing is when you open the Windows Explorer it goes to a home directory and not to your computer so if you have multiple partitions on your disk you either create a shortcut on desktop or when you open the Windows Explorer you have to go up three levels then you can see other partitions too.

I have noticed that Windows 7 Beta 1 didn't had support for FAT32 partitions at all.

I am programmer and I have already noticed that my older programes programmed in Pacal has two bugs first one is error 200 but this is due to extra higher speed of the processor so it counts it as division by zero it is a bug on a library CRT. Later has been a patch for CRT but I haven't recompiled them because I keep them only as achive. I made also some graphical simulations using Pascal and in Windows Vista it doesn't run at all because the command line can't be run in full screen mode.
so, it is important before you buy a new computer check if all softwares you have can work on it and there is no need to get new OS because it looks great but we have to see on technical aspect.
Here are some question about this issues:


  • Is it safe to work on it I mean data integrity?

  • Are my application compatibile with this OS?



But the most important is to make calculations of the upgrade because if the softwares are not compatible or older devices lik printers, scanners then you would need to get them all new! And this costs a lot.


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The core is the same May 28, 2009

The core (or the "guts", the "heart" of Windows 7 ) is the same as Vista, so don't expect any revelations, no matter what Bill says.

If you have a computer to spare, you can download the Windows 7 Release Candidate version (a better beta, so to speak), install it and see how it behaves - my Microsoft employee friend has it installed on his home computer and says he's happy (yeah, I know he's a MS employee, but I trust him )

That said, I'll stay with my XP as long as possible. It's probably the apogee of Microsoft's operating systems.

Best,
Pawel Skalinski


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N.M. Eklund  Identity Verified
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Is it or isn't it? May 28, 2009

Epameinondas Soufleros said:

All in all, Windows 7 will be the new XP; just go for it.


PAS said:

The core (or the "guts", the "heart" of Windows 7 ) is the same as Vista, so don't expect any revelations, no matter what Bill says


This is exactly why I posted this question. No one seems to agree in the online review articles either.

Is it a new XP or is it a Vista in sheep's clothing?

Or, if the latter, is it a better, lighter, more acceptable new version of Vista?
Maybe it has some kicks that work well and are well worth the wait.

Has anyone heard of anything?

[Edited at 2009-05-28 08:11 GMT]


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Miroslav Jeftic  Identity Verified
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A bit of everything May 28, 2009

Yup, you could call it a tuned-up Vista. Though if you have already used Vista, I'm not sure you are going to see a big difference.
Bottom line, if you need a laptop now, buy it now with Vista. If you can postpone it until the next year, that's good too; not only the new OS, but there could some Christmas/New Year discounts as well, slightly better or cheaper hardware, etc.

[Edited at 2009-05-28 08:22 GMT]


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Zoltán Kulcsár  Identity Verified
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if you... May 28, 2009

buy a computer preinstalled with Windows Vista after 26/06/2009, you will likely be able to upgrade to Windows 7 no charge when it becomes available (of course, ask the vendor if this is applicable to the computer purchased)

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Sergei Leshchinsky  Identity Verified
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If you do buy a PC with Win7 preinstalled... May 28, 2009

... make a rescue disk (system dump) to be able to restore the licensed system and install XP-2008 (SP3). I did downgrade on my five's new laptop. Vista run fast as the laptop is new, but XP got even faster!

Then, wait for Win7 SP1 at least...

[Редактировалось 2009-05-28 14:12 GMT]


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Sonja Allen  Identity Verified
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I stayed with XP May 28, 2009

Recently I was forced to buy a new computer because my old one broke beyond repair. As I did no want Vista I got one custom-built with XP. I have always been happy with XP, I know how it works, I know it does everything I need and I don't really have the time to fiddle about and get used to a new OS. So why worry. And I think XP will still be around for some time. And even if Windows 7 is good it will surely have some teething problems in the beginning and I am not too keen on that.

But I made sure that my new computer has all the specifications required to upgrade to a new OS if it becomes absolutely necessary.

So if you are happy with XP and can't wait much longer to buy a new laptop I would do the same. But it also depends on your nature. My approach is quite risk averse and I just want as few problems as possible when it comes to computers. But if you are someone who likes to try out new technology and play around you might see things differently.

[Edited at 2009-05-28 14:31 GMT]


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Thanks for you interest in Windows 7 May 28, 2009

Thanks for your interest in Windows 7, the best site for all the up to date news on the product is found at the Windows 7 support forum, at micorsoft.com/springboard. The site will also give you all sorts of useful information, such as the “what’s new in the RC” feed….or you can also you use talkingaboutwindows.com as an additional resource
Thanks,

Glen@microsoft-springboard


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Some comments May 28, 2009

N.M. Eklund wrote:
"Users will also be able to disable many more Windows components than was possible in Windows Vista"


Do they say which? Remember, people who review operating systems tend to forget that many of the features supposedly offered by the operating system can equally well be offered by other programs, and you're often not forced to use the operating system's feature.

The media player is an example -- every time a new Windows comes out, people marvel at the new media player, but... you can get a good media player for free from a third party, and you don't need to use the Windows media player at all. So upgrading to the next version of Windows because you want a better media player is rather silly. This goes for many features "built-in" to Windows (or Linux, for that matter).

So, which features are disabled?

I don't use Vista, so I don't know how 7 compares to it, but I can tell you two things about 7 that annoy me as an XP user: Windows 7 doesn't have a quick start panel, and in Windows 7 you can't customise the Start Menu.

I have had a little experience with Vista, though (setting up my wife's computer), and I can tell you that the settings dialogs in 7 is just as confusing as in Vista. In XP, the settings dialogs from the Control Panel and the Administrative Tools follow some kind of logical structure, but Vista and 7 organise the dialogs in a confusing, hyperlinked kind of system with very little function branding and a near non-existent bread crumb system. Good luck setting up Vista and 7...

" Additionally, when a user drags a window to the edge of the screen, it will snap in place on that half of the screen. This allows users to snap documents or files on either side of the screen to compare them."


How does this differ from what you have in XP -- right-click the taskbar and select "Tile Windows Horizontally"? And someone recently posted a link to Brian Apps' Sizer program which also offers the snapping ability, at a mere 17 KB (does not work on Vista, though):

http://www.brianapps.net/sizer.html

"There is also a feature that when a user pulls a window to the top of the screen, it automatically maximizes. When a user moves windows that are maximized, the system restores them automatically. ... This functionality is also accomplished with keyboard shortcuts. Holding down the Windows key and pressing the up arrow maximizes; pressing down the down arrow minimizes; pressing the left or right arrows snap the windows to the sides of the screen."


The drag-and-drop feature seems like a gimmick to me, unless you have a small screen or a very fast mouse. They keyboard shortcut feature does not exist in Windows XP per se, but if you feel you really want it, I'm sure I can write an AutoIt script that accomplishes it in no time. And don't forget that various actions with the Win key already exist in XP (although few people are aware of them).

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301583

For example, Win+M minimises all windows, and Shift+Win+M restores all the windows that were minimised. You can't do it one windows at a time, so yes, I guess Windows 7 has the upper hand in this one.

Search also the forums for a thread I recently initiated about Windows 7.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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My installation of Win7 May 28, 2009

N.M. Eklund wrote:
Is it a new XP or is it a Vista in sheep's clothing? ... Or, if the latter, is it a better, lighter, more acceptable new version of Vista?


I have both XP and Win7 on the same machine (if I don't jump, it boots Win7, but I can select XP at bootup, if I remember to do so). At present, both look the same. Win7 has a slightly brigher screen, but then, the screen flickers a bit as well (which it doesn't do in XP, but this could be simply a driver problem).

I managed to customise the layout, operation and look-and-feel of Win7 to be very similar to my XP machine. Mind you, my XP machine looks the same as my Windows 95 machine looked (yes, I prefer the "Classic" skin). So, I don't see any advantages yet. Some things work different, and once you're used to it, you'd probably prefer it.

The only surprise was that Win7 recognised my USB WLAN stick without a hitch, whereas I had to download extra drivers for it in XP.

Some of the reviews I read seemed to imply that Win7 is an improved XP, for all practical purposes, but that may simply be the reviewers' personal impressions.


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Rodrigo Castillo H.
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Check Winsupersite.com Jun 24, 2009

If you want to have a good idea of the new features in Windows 7, check Paul Thurrot's website. It's one of the most comprehensive sites dedicated to Microsoft beta products. Here's the link to the Windows 7 section: http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/

I recommend you check the "Feature Focus" articles.

Regards.


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