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Thread poster: Being Earnest

Being Earnest
Italy
Local time: 18:59
Italian to English
Jun 19, 2009

Do not attempt to purchase TMs for IT to English. I was contacted by ProZ to purchase TMSTash. I applied and paid €40 for a product. I received id and password but am not able to open site. Email addresses provided bounce back. The name is Mr Holloway Sicily English BE AWARE!

 

Doron Greenspan MITI  Identity Verified
Israel
Local time: 19:59
Member (2005)
English to Hebrew
+ ...
Surely not contacted BY ProZ. Jun 19, 2009

Sorry to hear it, but surely, you were not contacted BY ProZ, but by someone who found your contact details in ProZ.com.

There's a whole world of differnece here.

Thanks for sharing it, Doron


 

Being Earnest
Italy
Local time: 18:59
Italian to English
TOPIC STARTER
Yes I was Jun 19, 2009

In fact I was contacted via e-mail from ProZ.

Be aware


 

Laurent KRAULAND (X)  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 18:59
French to German
+ ...
Hear, hear... Jun 19, 2009

Being Earnest wrote:

In fact I was contacted via e-mail from ProZ.

Be aware


That doesn't sound right to me! Although I am not a potential target, I will keep my eyes peeled.

Who or what prevents you from writing a support ticket?

Laurent K.

[Edited at 2009-06-19 08:50 GMT]


 

Being Earnest
Italy
Local time: 18:59
Italian to English
TOPIC STARTER
Very strange Jun 19, 2009

I have written several report tickets but alas no response. The following link is thye site I was given by ProZ

http://www.tmstash.com/downloadfile.php?id=Y#-file


 

Laurent KRAULAND (X)  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 18:59
French to German
+ ...
ONE ticket is enough!!! Jun 19, 2009

Being Earnest wrote:

I have written several report tickets but alas no response. The following link is thye site I was given by ProZ

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


And as the members of ProZ staff are mainly in the EST/EDT time zone, you should be content of receiving your automated "confirmation for support request" until someone can deal in person with this matter...

Laurent K.


 

Marijke Singer  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:59
Member
Dutch to English
+ ...
No address details on website Jun 19, 2009

The provided VAT no. is valid (IT00215458886; I checked on http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do)

 

Laurent KRAULAND (X)  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 18:59
French to German
+ ...
...and this doesn't look good either! Jun 19, 2009

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/tmstash.com

Privacy, privacy, privacy... all the information about the registrant of the website is confidential and they can only be reached through an Hotmail address.

Let's wait and see!

Laurent K.


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 18:59
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
What guarantees did you get... Jun 19, 2009

...that the contents of the memory was obtained legally, respecting the copyright of the owners of the contents, and with their widespread authorisation for the distribution of the TM?

Personally I would not ever consider the purchase a TM without first getting a written document stating that the owners of the TM have approved the distribution. Then I would need a sample of the TM to ascertain its quality, then I would probably consider a purchase and would ask for details of the company. All this would take time, exactly the time you need to avoid being fooled.

[Edited at 2009-06-19 15:00 GMT]


 

Angela Dickson  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:59
French to English
+ ...
.. Jun 19, 2009

Being Earnest wrote:

I have written several report tickets but alas no response. The following link is thye site I was given by ProZ

http://www.tmstash.com/downloadfile.php?id=Y#-file


1. from what you said, you were not "given" this site by ProZ, you were sent the address by someone who contacted you via ProZ.

2. Have you contacted the company who contacted you to explain your problem?


 

Jared Tabor
Local time: 13:59
SITE STAFF
Clarification Jun 19, 2009

Hello all,


I was contacted by ProZ to purchase TMSTash.


I would like to confirm that this is not the case.

Emails you receive from ProZ.com (as opposed to emails received through your profile from others, or instant messages sent through the site) will be clearly marked as such, and the email addresses will end in @proz.com.

The people who may contact you from ProZ.com, or sign an email sent from ProZ.com (unless the signature is from the entire team) are all here: http://www.proz.com/?sp=info/team

If an email you receive comes from a sender that is not @proz.com but claims to be associated with the site, you should submit a support request on it.

If you receive advertising of the type described here, through the site, you should also submit a support request.

Best regards,

Jared


 

Laurent 1973 (X)  Identity Verified
Switzerland
Local time: 18:59
English to French
+ ...
That rings a bell Jun 19, 2009

Hi there,

While reading your post, I remembered receiving an e-mail from the person mentioned in your message. At the time it sounded more like a TM exchange among translators and certainly not a commercial website. I exchanged a couple of e-mails with that guy and he sent me a TM of 7500 units. I sent him one of my TMs, but we stopped there. I didn't buy anything from him. Interesting to see the whole thing has turned into a commercial operation (I don't know what to think about it).

Laurent


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 18:59
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
Privacy assurance Jun 19, 2009

Laurent 1973 wrote:
I exchanged a couple of e-mails with that guy and he sent me a TM of 7500 units. I sent him one of my TMs, but we stopped there. I didn't buy anything from him.

How did you guarantee that you were not sharing proprietary, confidential information from your customers? Was it all text you invented in the source text and then translated yourself? Or was it actual content from translations you had done for your customers? In the latter case, did you request a confirmation from your customers that you were allowed to share that contents.

Did the other person give you any reassurance that the materials he was sharing with you were completely his property and that any customers whose work is included in the memory actually agreed to have their texts shared?


 

Being Earnest
Italy
Local time: 18:59
Italian to English
TOPIC STARTER
Full email - Beware Jun 19, 2009

Hi guys

For you benefit this is the full email I received. If you look at the bottom it is quite misleading


-----------------------------------------------------
Good afternoon.

I can see you are an it>en CAT user!

TMSTASH has now made available Translation memories within your
language pair (IT>EN).
Within fields for Italian>English (it>en)

http://tmstash.com/tm.php?lang=IT>EN

Available memories are available

legal
finance
business
EU issues
Other (Technical)
A finance/business glossary is also available.

Thanks

Matt.

Head Aligner.

TMStash.com

----------------------------------------
This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory.
Sender: TMSTASH
Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/1076975
Sender's IP address: 93.41.182.15
To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page:
http://proz.com/?sp=ef
For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket:
http://proz.com/support
----------------------------------------


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 18:59
Member (2005)
English to Spanish
+ ...
My email to the company Jun 19, 2009

I have emailed the company. My email was:

**************************************
Dear Sirs,

I am interested in knowing whether the use of the materials used to create your TMs has been expressely authorised by their copyright owners. If I purchase one of your TMs, what guarantee can I have that the materials I am using have been obtained with their owners' approval?

Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
**************************************

I will let you know about the result... if they ever respond!


 
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