WordFast Classic : tareas de post-proceso necesarias
Thread poster: Angel Llacuna

Angel Llacuna  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
English to Spanish
Feb 23

Estoy aprendiendo a utilizar WordFast Classic.
Una vez realizada una traducción, ¿ son estos los pasos correctos a seguir ? :

1 Extraer texto de destino pulsando Ctrl + coma
2 Ejecutar Quality Check : Icono de WordFast > Tools > Tools > Quality Check

Previamente deben estar seleccionadas las opciones :

Icono de WordFast > Setup > QA > Check terminology from glossary # 1 / # 2 / # 3
Icono de WordFast > Setup > QA > QA during translation

3 Pasar corrector ortográfico de Word
4 Reorganizar la memoria : Icono de WordFast > TM > Reorganize
5 Hacer Clean-up : Icono de WordFast > Tools > Clean-up

El resultado final de esos pasos es un archivo monolingüe que contiene la traducción,
en forma de documento Word. ¿ es este el archivo que se entrega al cliente ?



[Edited at 2018-02-23 08:38 GMT]


 

neilmac  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
Spanish to English
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Ni idea, pero... Feb 24

Utilizo WF Classic desde hace tiempo a mi manera, pero las pautas que has señalado no me suenan. No corresponde a mi modo de emplearlo. Por ejemplo, no entiendo los pasos 1 y 2. Tampoco sé si tengo seleccionado las opciones QA, ni tampoco sé si lo he utilizado.
Normalmente empiezo con una copia del documento original en Word. Voy traduciendo segmento por segmento, hasta el final. Luego, reviso mi traducción segmento por segmento, y si estoy contento con el resultado, le doy "Clean-up" y ya tengo el borrador monolingüe. Entonces, le paso el corrector y ya tengo mi borrador traducido. Si me parece que necesita otra revisión, le envío a una compañera que me lo revisa. No sé si se reorganiza la memoria o no; yo no executo el paso 4, al menos que yo sepa.

Lo más probable es que yo no lo utilizo correctamente, y solo le saco provecho a medias, pero funciona lo suficiente para mis propósitos.


 

Angel Llacuna  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
English to Spanish
TOPIC STARTER
cuando pasas el corrector sobre el borrador monolingüe ... Feb 24

los cambios que hagas en el texto durante la revisión creo que no quedan registrados en la memoria de traducción.

[Edited at 2018-02-24 10:39 GMT]


 

neilmac  Identity Verified
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Lo hago después de todo, al fnal Feb 24

Yo paso el corrector de Word una vez limpiado el texto, y no antes de limpiarlo. Sin embargo, no soy ningún experto en WF y sé que no estoy utilizando ni la mitad de sus funciones (por ejemplo, no empleo los glosarios, ni QA...).

 

Angel Llacuna  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
English to Spanish
TOPIC STARTER
quieres decir que Feb 24

cuando terminas la traducción, haces el clean-up y sobre el archivo monolingüe obtenido pasas el corrector de Word. Creo que los cambios que hagas durante esa revisión no quedan registrados en la memoria de traducción

 

neilmac  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
Spanish to English
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... Feb 24

Angel Llacuna wrote:

cuando terminas la traducción, haces el clean-up y sobre el archivo monolingüe obtenido pasas el corrector de Word. Creo que los cambios que hagas durante esa revisión no quedan registrados en la memoria de traducción


Efectivamente, no quedan registrados en la memoria, pero a mi no me preocupa. Solo utilizo las memorias como borradores. Suelo retocar los textos después de guardar la versión definitiva. Por ejemplo, acabo de traducir un texto donde los autores emplean "aspecto" a la saciedad, y ahora que tengo la versión "definitiva", mañana por la mañana iré alternándolo con algún sinónimo...

La verdad es que se puede hacer bastante más con el WFC, pero yo nunca he investigado todas sus posibilidades. O sea, que no soy el mejor ejemplo a seguiricon_smile.gif


 

Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 22:21
Member (2007)
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Sorry, but my Spanish doesn't stretch to this Feb 27

I did try to reply in Spanish but I don't know any of the terms and just get tied up. Hopefully nobody will mind me contributing in English this time.

Angel Llacuna wrote:
Una vez realizada una traducción, ¿ son estos los pasos correctos a seguir ? :

1 Extraer texto de destino pulsando Ctrl + coma
2 Ejecutar Quality Check : Icono de WordFast > Tools > Tools > Quality Check

Previamente deben estar seleccionadas las opciones :

Icono de WordFast > Setup > QA > Check terminology from glossary # 1 / # 2 / # 3
Icono de WordFast > Setup > QA > QA during translation

3 Pasar corrector ortográfico de Word
4 Reorganizar la memoria : Icono de WordFast > TM > Reorganize
5 Hacer Clean-up : Icono de WordFast > Tools > Clean-up

El resultado final de esos pasos es un archivo monolingüe que contiene la traducción,
en forma de documento Word. ¿ es este el archivo que se entrega al cliente ?

When I get to the end of the text in normal translation mode:
A. I first of all go back through the segmented text, checking that the translation is accurate and complete and that it reads reasonably well. I open segments if I want to change them extensively or if I want to make any changes to the start or end of the segment, otherwise, I don't bother to open them.
B. I do your #1 - hide the source text - so I can get a clear look at the target. I then do #3 immediately as I don't like to put off such a basic step as a spell-check.
C. Still with the source hidden, I read through the target text for natural flow. Again, if I want to make changes that might impact the ends of a segment, I open it before editing. I also open it if I feel I need to check with the source. I do quite a lot of toggling between segmented view and source-only view during that stage.
D. Once I'm happy with the translation, I do a clean-up (your #5). I ask Wf to update its memory at that time. That's when all those changes to unopened segments get applied to the TM.
E. The monolingual output from the clean-up gets another read-through, and occasionally - being a marketing translator - I'll actually change the order of things at this stage to keep the same meaning but express it in a more "marketing" way. Then the text gets a final spell-check, just in case I've introduced any typos etc. It also then gets displayed side-by-side with the monolingual source file so that I can check for consistent formatting (especially bold, italics, etc) and completeness. When I'm happy with it, I deliver it to the client.

The Wf QA processing that I do is restricted to during the translation stages - I get Wf to check for changed proper nouns, unmatched numbers, etc. before I go on to the next segment. I don't personally check for terminology matches (although I do of course make use of my glossaries) as terminology isn't normally an issue in marketing texts, but I'm sure I would if I were a technical translator. I don't see the need to do another QA check (your #2) at the end, but it wouldn't hurt. And the only time I ever do a reorganise (your #4) is when I've done anything to the memory outside of the translation process, e.g. updated the BTM, used the data editor, etc.

But I'm no more of a WF Classic expert than neilmac, so don't take anything I say as gospel icon_smile.gif.


 

Angel Llacuna  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:21
English to Spanish
TOPIC STARTER
Thank you, Sheila for your detailed message Feb 27

Do you know what the Clean-up process does that is not accomplished by just hiding the source text with Control + comma ?

Can you recommend me an online dictionary of Marketing - English to Spanish ?

[Edited at 2018-02-27 13:44 GMT]


 

Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 22:21
Member (2007)
English
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Control + comma does very little Feb 27

Angel Llacuna wrote:
Do you know what the Clean-up process does that is not accomplished by just hiding the source text with Control + comma ?

Con,trol + comma only affects the display of the text on your screen. I don't think it does anything else at all. Cleaning a file creates the backup, bilingual version, and the monolingual version, and it updates the TM if you ask it to, and it may well do various other things that I'm not aware of. The two are very different, I do know that.

Can you recommend me an online dictionary of Marketing - English to Spanish ?

If that's directed at me then no, I don't. I don't even translate out of Spanish, let alone into it icon_smile.gif.


 


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