Do you use "any old CAT tool"?
Thread poster: Neil Coffey

Neil Coffey  Identity Verified
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Apr 8, 2011

This has come up before as a sub-issue of other questions but I wanted to raise it again in its own right.

So a potential client has contacted me regarding a job and asked if I used TRADOS. I replied that unfortunately I don't so if that was a requirement I wouldn't be able to help them in this case. They have then got back to me asking if I use *any* CAT tool. This question slightly stumped me: I understand that for workflow reasons, they might require translators to use a *specific* CAT tool. But I don't quite understand the rationale behind requiring "any old CAT tool": if it's not that they need a specific one for workflow reasons, then why would they care either way?


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Apparently "Trados" has turned into generic terminoloy Apr 8, 2011

As a synonym for: "Do you use any CAT-tools?"

Just like "Xerox" had turned into the equivalent for any copying machine, "Hoover" = any vacuum cleaner, "Kleenex" = any facial tissue, or in Germany: "Zewa" = any paper towel, "Tempo" = any paper handkerchief, "Tesa" = any adhesive tape, "TippEx" = any white-out fluid, I could go on.

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Daina Jauntirans  Identity Verified
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Compatibility Apr 8, 2011

I don't use Trados, but I do use Wordfast and still work on "Trados" projects for clients. That's why they ask.

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Ragland Inbaraj  Identity Verified
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Trados Old version is used still Apr 8, 2011

Hi,

Since many of my clients ask for Clean and Unclean files of Trados, I need to use them, though SDL trados laetst version do not have the concept of Clean and Unclean files like its earlier's.

Cheers,
Ragland.


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Emma Goldsmith  Identity Verified
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reductions for fuzzies Apr 8, 2011

Neil Coffey wrote:

why would they care either way?


They care because if you have any old CAT tool at all they can offer you any old reductions on fuzzies.


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Anton Konashenok  Identity Verified
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At least two valid reasons Apr 8, 2011

I see at least two valid reasons to ask this question:
1. The use of CAT tools ensures consistency of the translation. In technical translations, this is extremely important.
2. Most CAT tools can import or export TMX-formatted TMs. The client may want to give you one or ask you for one.


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Oliver Walter  Identity Verified
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Equivalent words Apr 8, 2011

Nicole Schnell wrote:
As a synonym for: "Do you use any CAT-tools?"

Just like "Xerox" had turned into the equivalent for any copying machine, "Hoover" = any vacuum cleaner, "Kleenex" = any facial tissue, or in Germany: "Zewa" = any paper towel, "Tempo" = any paper handkerchief, "Tesa" = any adhesive tape, "TippEx" = any white-out fluid, I could go on.

I was also beginning to have that impression, but not as firmly as Nicole. Another example I have noticed is the use of "googling" to mean "using a search engine". (And, I think the French use "ruban scotch" for any adhesive tape - in the UK it's (or was) sellotape.)

There's a list of over 50 such names here:
http://coolrain44.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/brand-names-that-we-call-generic-products/

Oliver


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José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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Generic terms Apr 8, 2011

Nicole Schnell wrote:
As a synonym for: "Do you use any CAT-tools?"
Just like "Xerox" had turned into the equivalent for any copying machine, "Hoover" = any vacuum cleaner, "Kleenex" = any facial tissue, or in Germany: "Zewa" = any paper towel, "Tempo" = any paper handkerchief, "Tesa" = any adhesive tape, "TippEx" = any white-out fluid, I could go on.


In Brazil, "durex" tape is the common name for Scotch tape (US) or sellotape (UK). I was a small boy then, but I have a faint recollection it was the product name 3M used to market it here in the 1950s.

In Portugal, "durex" is the common name for condoms/preservatives, apparently a brand originally imported from the UK.

Try to imagine a Brazilian visiting an office in Lisbon, and requesting some "fita durex" (= durex tape in PT) to seal a package. Backstage, a helpful secretary shoots a condom through the document shredder, trying to turn it into "tape", thinking that Brazilians must be really crazy to use that to seal packages.icon_biggrin.gif


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Nicole Schnell  Identity Verified
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Incredible! Thanks for the link, Oliver. Apr 9, 2011

Oliver Walter wrote:

There's a list of over 50 such names here:
http://coolrain44.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/brand-names-that-we-call-generic-products/

Oliver



The list is truly amazing.


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