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Wikipedia blacked out in Italy
Thread poster: Tom in London

Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Italian to English
Jul 4

Any internet search for anything in Italy, or in Italian, will redirect you here:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_3_luglio_2018

For a translation into your own language, click at the top.

[Edited at 2018-07-04 13:32 GMT]


 

Tatiana Grehan  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 14:18
English to Russian
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Thanks for sharing, Tom! Jul 4

This is an extremely important subject and well worth knowing about. Here's an English translation by Google Translate:

Dear reader,

On 5 July 2018 the European Parliament will decide whether to speed up the approval of the copyright directive. This directive, if promulgated, will significantly limit the freedom of the Internet.

Instead of updating the copyright laws in Europe to promote everyone's participation in the information society, it threatens online freedom and creates barriers to accessing the Net by imposing new barriers, filters, and restrictions. If the proposal is approved, it may be impossible to share a newspaper article on social networks or find it on a search engine. Wikipedia itself would risk to close.

The proposal has already met with the firm disapproval of over 70 computer scientists, including web creator Tim Berners-Lee (here), 169 academics (here), 145 organizations working in the fields of human rights, freedom of the press, scientific research and the computer industry (here) and the Wikimedia Foundation (here).

For these reasons, the Italian Wikipedia community has decided to obscure all encyclopedia pages. We want to continue to offer a free, open, collaborative encyclopedia with verifiable content. We therefore ask all Members of the European Parliament to reject the current text of the directive and to reopen the debate by examining the many proposals of the Wikimedia associations, starting with the abolition of Articles 11 and 13, as well as the extension of the freedom of panorama to the whole EU and the protection of the public domain.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SaveYourInternet

The Italian community of Wikipedia


Tom in London
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Francisco Vare
Poland
Local time: 20:18
Polish to Spanish
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Spanish and Polish Wikipedia Jul 4

Good afternoon, everyone!

The Spanish Wikipedia is also "black", but it lets you use it normally apart from having the same message about tomorrow's voting on every page.

The Polish Wikipedia, on the other hand, will redirect you every single time to the information message and will not let you use it.


 

Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 19:18
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English
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The page I want is still visible below the banner. Jul 4

Francisco Vare wrote:
The Spanish Wikipedia is also "black", but it lets you use it normally apart from having the same message about tomorrow's voting on every page.

That's what I get here in Spain, although I tend to search for things there in English. It comes up with this banner:
To all our readers in Spain
This Wednesday we need your help. On 5 July 2018, the European Parliament will vote on a new copyright directive. If approved, these changes threaten to disrupt the open Internet that Wikipedia is a part of. You have time to act. Join the discussion. Thank you.
Contact your MEP
Read about it on Wikipedia
Learn more


 

Daniel Frisano
Monaco
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Anyone wanna bet? Jul 4

€100 say that this is just Wikipedia's recurring attention seeking and that the issue they so dread is mostly irrelevant and won't affect online encyclopedias at all.

Teresa Borges
 

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:18
Serbian to English
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There are no nice ways to put it Jul 5

Daniel Frisano wrote:

€100 say that this is just Wikipedia's recurring attention seeking and that the issue they so dread is mostly irrelevant and won't affect online encyclopedias at all.


If this is not deliberate trolling, it shows an incredible level of ignorance of what is at stake; comparing such important issue with the real attention seeking of some Z-list quasi-celebrities is beyond redemption.

If you need an example of how copyright laws (the already existing ones, not the "enhanced" ones in the pipeline, purely dictated by commercial interests) can be abusively used, just take a closer look at the ongoing saga of the Scientology, i.e. the bits of the saga that you can still find despite their ongoing abuse of copyright laws to censor any negative mention of them.

I very much doubt that Tim Berners-Lee (name rings a bell?) is in any need of any kind of "attention seeking", nor are academics known for being in the habit of acting as mass serial "attention seekers" for the sake of it. I would tend to believe that they know what they are talking about.

The same kind of ignorance/indifference has "helped" making it legal for everyone - yes absolutely anyone and everyone - to be spied by hundreds of government agencies at all time (in UK)! You crave for more of the same in a different field?

Dixi et ...

[Edited at 2018-07-05 02:03 GMT]


Inga Petkelyte
Vera Schoen
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Tom in London
United Kingdom
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ANyway... Jul 5

It was un-blacked out today.

 

Inga Petkelyte  Identity Verified
Portugal
Local time: 19:18
Lithuanian to Portuguese
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Turning creepy Jul 5

All this goes beyond just worrying - at least, for those living with open eyes.

 

Tom in London
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Beyond Jul 5

It goes beyond beyond.

Vera Schoen
 

Daniel Frisano
Monaco
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_ Jul 5

Daryo wrote:

If this is not deliberate trolling ...



It's an actual bet. You in?


 

Jean Lachaud  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 14:18
English to French
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The bill was rejected Jul 5

Most likely, the unblocking results from the bill being rejected by the European Parliament: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44712475

Tom in London wrote:

It was un-blacked out today.


Tom in London
 

DZiW
Ukraine
English to Russian
+ ...
purpose of non-blushig paper Jul 5

Daniel, it doesn't matter if one is direly in need of some cash or self-esteem, yet as Julia Reda explained other "improvements" (for who?), did you really read the proposal about (1) "censorship machines", (2) "link taxes", and (3) a very narrow exception for text and data mining directly affecting the way how users (A) share links, (B) upload media, and (C) work with data? Can't you really see the worthy rationale in the bill and the related Articles?

However, while by-justice teeming activity imitation, after extraterritorial supranational regulations by Coal and Steel--Oops!--European Union such restrictions are almost natural... for some.

[Edited at 2018-07-06 15:04 GMT]


 

Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Good news Jul 6

Jean Lachaud wrote:

Most likely, the unblocking results from the bill being rejected by the European Parliament: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44712475

Tom in London wrote:

It was un-blacked out today.


Thanks Jean


 

Daniel Frisano
Monaco
Local time: 20:18
Member (2008)
English to Italian
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There you go Jul 6

Jean Lachaud wrote:

(...) the bill being rejected by the European Parliament.



Mission accomplished. Now in a couple of days they will post something about how they fight for the freedom of blah blah send us money. Wanna bet?


Teresa Borges
 

Daniel Frisano
Monaco
Local time: 20:18
Member (2008)
English to Italian
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Who would have ever guessed? Jul 8

Today:

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Within a couple of weeks Italian taxpayers must submit their reports, with the option of sending 5‰ of their taxes to an organisation of choice.

And Wikipedia targets exactly Italian users with this issue and not, say, French, German or Finnish. Certainly a coincidence.

[Edited at 2018-07-08 11:15 GMT]


 
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