Being promoted without knowing it - info was copy-pasted from my proz profile
Thread poster: MariusV

MariusV  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 15:19
English to Lithuanian
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Aug 9, 2007

I had a very strange situation.

Some time ago I started receiving numerous requests to do a free translation. I started wondering why people think I do that and where did they find that I do translations for free (well, it is always a pleasure to help someone but I cannot afford working for free). Then one of such askers gave told me that he found me on google and gave a link to one crap website with all that stuuf like "cheap flights", "casinos", "hotels" and so on. At they had "free online translations" too. And surprise surprise - I opened that link and well, I was even laughing at first how many services I provide (good that they did not put I was trading in apples or even machine guns). The info was copy-pasted from my proz profile and my personal website and also edited adding much more! + I started receiving more and more spams.

Well, I had a fierce email fight with those "spammers" (or how should I call them) telling I do not want to be promoted on their crap website nor that I gave any permission to copy my info. They even explained that they were doing me a big favour and promiting me and that they did not do anything illegal...Well, they deleted my info at the end, but that was rather unpleasant and time wasting.

Did you have any similar situations and how do you think would be best to fight such ...es???



[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2007-08-10 08:07]


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Giedrius Ramasauskas  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 15:19
Member (2007)
English to Lithuanian
Unlucky You! Aug 10, 2007

In the case my e-mail will be full of requests for free traslations, I will know what's happening)).

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Jabberwock  Identity Verified
Poland
Local time: 14:19
Member (2004)
English to Polish
Open email address Aug 10, 2007

Part of the problem might be that you have your email address in open text on the profile... This is actually an invitation to spam.

If they had to go through your website everytime, then they might realize you do not work for free.


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Aurora Humarán  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 09:19
English to Spanish
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Not being promoted but being shamelessly 'copied' Aug 10, 2007

LEGAL:
Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation
Trademarks and Patents
Foreign trade: B/L, Drafts, Letters Rogatory, Customs Clearance documents.
General: contracts, corporate documents, birth certificates, marriage certificates, passports, resumes, academic transcripts.

FINANCIAL:
Stock Purchase Projects
Financial Statements
Accounting Reports
Capital Markets
Derivatives (Futures, Forwards, Options, Swaps)

MARKETING:
Market Research
Brand Information
Media Plans
Copies
Advertising material in general



Hi Marius!
A colleague of one of the lists I am a member of changed her signature, which called my attention so I went to her blog and web site. To my surprise, I found she had copied and pasted all the information from my ProZ.com profile (above).

I called her immediately (I could not believe my eyes!) and she recognized she had somewhat 'copied' it. "In fact", she said, "I took a lot of information from the Internet (other translators' profiles and sites also). I did not copy, but used you profile as inspiration" (!!!) "Ok," she admitted, "in your case I went too far". (!!!) And (listen to this, Marius!) she then said: "well, after all, I did not profit from what I copied from you as my clients did not increase" (!!!!!!). (I was afraid the next comment would be that she was planning to sue me for this!!!

I told her to go over her blogs and sites and make sure she was not beeing too inspired by me in the future. (I also sent a support ticket to ProZ.com, for the site to be aware of this).

Not exactly what you asked, but interesing though (and dangerous). Apart from telling her that she had no idea (in spite of having legal background as we legal translators have) of what intelectual property is, I told her that if my clients happened to read her site/blog, they could think there is a sort of boilerplate that all translators use (we ALL translate the same things!)

I am still working with my web master on a system to avoid these problems.

Au

[Edited at 2007-08-10 13:07]


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Nizamettin Yigit  Identity Verified
Turkey
Local time: 15:19
Dutch to Turkish
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Profile copied ny another proz member Aug 11, 2007

Hi,

It is funny. Some time ago a friend, who is also proz.com member told me that she found this and snet me the other fellow translators profile link.

Yes it was exactly the same.
As if she did everything that I did. Immediately I sent e-mail. No response. After a few days no response, I asked help from site staff and a moderator.

At the end she removed. I put a copyright notice that if my text is used no matter it is useless or valuable, I charge them for creative writing.

Funny enough she even copy-pasted a paragraph that says I am father of a princes, yet it was she

It is good ide to put a copyright notice at your profile page.

Good luck!

Nizam


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MariusV  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 15:19
English to Lithuanian
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well, Aug 12, 2007

The copyright for the spammers does not matter. I think this is illegal "as a natural thing" to copy the material from another site (translator's site) and to use it on "own" site without the permission of the translator. Moreover, use it for other purposes and worst of all - promoting the translator with the services he/she does not do. It can harm the image - people find such a "promo" (let alone of you being promoted on some spammer site), write a request to you for the services you do not do, and then get a reply "Why do you think I provide such services?"...Well, this is internet and no one is insured against some funny or nonsense things, but such cases are really weird...




[Edited at 2007-08-12 09:19]


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Alison Jeffries-Thierry  Identity Verified
Local time: 22:19
French to English
Excessive visits to profile page Aug 14, 2007

Hi all

Your posts interest me. For some time I have noticed one visitor to my profile page who seems to visit hundreds of times a day, every day. Well, I hope that my profile is a bit interesting, but I don't think it's THAT interesting that someone would want to visit the page (I haven't developed it all that much - haven't had time!) again and again.

I feared spammers or fraudsters, so I decided to take my CV off my profile, which is a pity, because that's how I can really show potential clients my skills and experience.

Has anyone had a similar experience of the same visitor visiting their profile page over and over?? Is there anything I can do about this?

Just curious ....
Alison


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Daniel Šebesta  Identity Verified
Czech Republic
Local time: 14:19
Member (2007)
English to Czech
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Excessive visits Aug 14, 2007

Hi Alison,

I've been experiencing a similar thing since the results of Third Translation Contest were announced (I was one of the winners). Since then, I've received 201 visits from an IP address located in California. I haven't gone as far as to remove my CV from the profile for that reason, but I keep wondering what the visitor is up to.

Daniel

[Edited at 2007-08-14 20:23]


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KathyT  Identity Verified
Australia
Local time: 22:19
Japanese to English
Relax! Those are just Web Crawlers for search engines. Aug 15, 2007

Those excessive visits are likely just Google, Inktomi, or other search engine web crawlers.
This comes up in the forums from time to time.
For more information, visit this thread or this thread.


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Daniel Šebesta  Identity Verified
Czech Republic
Local time: 14:19
Member (2007)
English to Czech
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Thanks! Aug 15, 2007

Thanks a lot for the links, Kathy.

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MariusV  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 15:19
English to Lithuanian
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TOPIC STARTER
CV - here is my biography, dear spammers Aug 15, 2007

Alison Jeffries-Thierry wrote:

I feared spammers or fraudsters, so I decided to take my CV off my profile, which is a pity, because that's how I can really show potential clients my skills and experience.

Alison


Hi Alison - this is one of the major reasons I did not put my CV on proz - not actually because I "feared" those spammers, but because a CV contains some sensitive personal data (like the date of birth, and similar) and I do not want all the world of spammers to simply clink on and download that. So, it is a little bit weird - it could be convenient for the clients who are interested in the services to have the CV in a couple of seconds, but somehow I see no wish to disclose my biography to all the world. And also - is the CV so important for those who are interested in the SERVICES, not the date of birth? + There are competing sites (proz competitors) and I wonder where from such frauds like translatorspub.com got my contact info to attack me via emails for registration at their website (where I will never register). I think it is simple - they go via proz and other reputable sites and copy-paste the info for their own databases. I think we should be cautious on a certain level regarding those contact info things, esp. when the "spammers", "crawlers" and other internet freaks are involved (I do not mean proz).



[Edited at 2007-08-15 09:56]


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Claudia Aguero  Identity Verified
Costa Rica
Local time: 06:19
Spanish to English
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website address Aug 15, 2007

MariusV wrote:
Did you have any similar situations and how do you think would be best to fight such ...es???



[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2007-08-10 08:07]


Marius, could you give us the address of this "website." I haven't faced this situation, but I'm just curious to browse the page. Hopefully, I'm not listed there.


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MariusV  Identity Verified
Lithuania
Local time: 15:19
English to Lithuanian
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TOPIC STARTER
well Aug 15, 2007

The last one was a Vietnamese website And previously was some USA spammer site. My name is removed now after a fight with them, but if interested, I will try to find the links. In any case, those spammer sites are "migrating" (I mean domain names - they change them very often).

Or, best of all, please try searching for your name in google + with keywords "free translation" and similar...


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