placeables and spaces
Thread poster: Anne Greaves

Anne Greaves  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:39
French to English
Mar 21, 2014

Hello,
I'm trying to find a way of copying placeables which includes the spaces between words. At the moment if I try to copy two consecutive words they are copied right next to each other, i.e, without a space. I went into PB and removed the underscore in Placeable PlusSpace but this doesn't seem to have done the trick. Thanks for any help!
Anne


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neilmac  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 17:39
Spanish to English
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Never used it Mar 22, 2014

I've been using WFC for a few years now and have never gotten round to finding out how (or, indeed, if) the placeables function works. It doesn't really bother me, but it will be interesting to see the feedback to this query, as it would be really handy for things like Company names, EU regulations, etc.

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Dominique Pivard  Identity Verified
Local time: 18:39
Finnish to French
PlaceablePlusSpace Apr 11, 2014

Anne Greaves wrote:
I'm trying to find a way of copying placeables which includes the spaces between words. At the moment if I try to copy two consecutive words they are copied right next to each other, i.e, without a space. I went into PB and removed the underscore in Placeable PlusSpace but this doesn't seem to have done the trick. Thanks for any help!

Just in case: the way PB commands work is by removing the underscore in their name, not replacing it by a space.

PlaceablePlusSpace -> OK
Placeable PlusSpace -> not OK

Also: PB commands are case-sensitive.

PlaceablePlusSpace -> OK
placeableplusspace -> not OK


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Dominique Pivard  Identity Verified
Local time: 18:39
Finnish to French
AutoSuggest in WFC 6.07 and newer Apr 11, 2014

neilmac wrote:
I've been using WFC for a few years now and have never gotten round to finding out how (or, indeed, if) the placeables function works. It doesn't really bother me, but it will be interesting to see the feedback to this query, as it would be really handy for things like Company names, EU regulations, etc.

Proper names work really well with AutoSuggest (AS) in version 6.07 and newer, as you can see here:

If you enable PlaceablePlusSpace in PB, a space is automatically added after the placeable you just inserted into the target segment.


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Andy Watkinson
Spain
Local time: 17:39
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Catalan to English
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Percentage sign. Apr 11, 2014

Taking advantage of a forum on WF placeables (and the fact that Dominique who's saved my life a couple of times is around), how can I get my WF 6.07 to include the "%" sign with numbers?

It highlights only the number but not the sign - wasn't the case with the previous version I had.

Experimented with PB placeable options but to no avail.

PS. @Neil. Most if not all company names are already placeables as they're capitalised.


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Dominique Pivard  Identity Verified
Local time: 18:39
Finnish to French
Percentage sign and AutoSuggest Apr 12, 2014

Andy Watkinson wrote:
Taking advantage of a forum on WF placeables (and the fact that Dominique who's saved my life a couple of times is around), how can I get my WF 6.07 to include the "%" sign with numbers?

It highlights only the number but not the sign - wasn't the case with the previous version I had.

Yes, it's indeed what happens:



You can still grab 15.5% the "old-fashioned" way, ie. with Ctrl+Alt+right/left arrow.

Andy Watkinson wrote:
Experimented with PB placeable options but to no avail.

Actually, most of the PB commands related to placeables have been deprecated in Wordfast Classic 6.07 and newer. In version 6.10, there is some room for configuration in the AS tab:



This can be handy if you have German as your source language, for instance, and you don't want all ordinary nouns (which are capitalized in German) to be considered as placeables. If so, just delete "Case" from the list.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to tweak the AS tab's placeable settings so as to have numbers followed by the percentage sign considered as placeables. I've just asked (on the WFC beta list) whether that could be possible in a future version.


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JL01  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 11:39
English to French
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Add my vote to that request Apr 12, 2014

Dominique Pivard wrote:

I've just asked (on the WFC beta list) whether that could be possible in a future version.


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Meta Arkadia
Local time: 22:39
English to Indonesian
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It takes two to tango Apr 12, 2014

I don't think it can be done. To arrive at a rule(s) that reliably selects placeables, you'll need both source and target language. English "EU" would be a placeable in Dutch, but not so much in French. And Dominique already mentioned German capitals. Even numbers can cause problems, they may require comma-dot conversion. It's simply, err, too difficult. For me anyway.

Cheers,

Hans


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Andy Watkinson
Spain
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Many thanks, Dominique Apr 12, 2014

I certainly hope they restore this feature at some point.

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Dominique Pivard  Identity Verified
Local time: 18:39
Finnish to French
Numbers followed by the percentage sign can be placed with AS in WFC 6.11 Apr 12, 2014

Dominique Pivard wrote:
Unfortunately, it is not possible to tweak the AS tab's placeable settings so as to have numbers followed by the percentage sign considered as placeables. I've just asked (on the WFC beta list) whether that could be possible in a future version.

It now works in WFC 6.11 (beta), even when there's a non-breaking space between the last digit and the percentage sign:



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Anne Greaves  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:39
French to English
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Re remove underscore Apr 13, 2014

Dominique Pivard wrote:


Just in case: the way PB commands work is by removing the underscore in their name, not replacing it by a space.

PlaceablePlusSpace -> OK
Placeable PlusSpace -> not OK

Also: PB commands are case-sensitive.

PlaceablePlusSpace -> OK
placeableplusspace -> not OK


Thanks Dominique, had removed the underscore, entry looks like this: Placeable=PlusSpace
Do I need to remove equals sign too?


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Dominique Pivard  Identity Verified
Local time: 18:39
Finnish to French
No equal sign, just PlaceablePlusSpace Apr 13, 2014

Anne Greaves wrote:
Thanks Dominique, had removed the underscore, entry looks like this: Placeable=PlusSpace
Do I need to remove equals sign too?

Yes, PlaceablePlusSpace is a command that needs to be used as is, without spaces, underscores, equal signs or anything else extra.

The equal sign is (*) for those placeable-related commands that let you define what should be considered as a placeable. For instance, Placeable=FirstCap lets you define that words starting with a capital letter should be considered as placeables.

(*) actually: "was". Placeable= commands have been deprecated in version 6.07 and newer. In 6.07, they have been replaced by the Placeables settings found under the AS (AutoSuggest) tab. In 6.10 and newer (currently beta), there is some flexibility to tweak them.


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