Photo data shows up in Wordfast Pro 5
Thread poster: Samuel Keating

Samuel Keating  Identity Verified
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Feb 14

Why does this sort of data show up in my translation pane?

Sometimes it's a photo description (top example), sometimes the thumbnail's link ...

But those don't appear in either the original or final (translated) Word doc -- only in Wordfast.


Wordfast-photo-data


 

Jean Lachaud  Identity Verified
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They must be in the Word document, somewhere Feb 14

In the case of the URL, there probably is a hyperlink.

in the case of the image legend, there may be a Caption somewhere in Word.

It may also be Hidden text in Word, although I thought that WfP treats Hidden text as not translatable.

Try copying part of the caption or URL, and do a search in the Word document, to see if you find something.


 

Samuel Keating  Identity Verified
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Nope Feb 14

This is what the Word doc looks like (both the original and the final translated version):

Wordfast-photo-data-no-data-in-Word

Searching for text from either the caption or the hyperlink doesn't show any results in either the original or final version.

I'm sure it's somewhere in the document's metadata, but yes, Wordfast SHOULD treat it as untranslatable! (This only started when I upgraded from 3 to 5 a few months ago.)


 

Jean Lachaud  Identity Verified
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Worth asking Wordfast hotline Feb 14

or, easier to do, clicking on Feedback (I don't remember exactly where, one of the menus) in WfP and reporting it.

In my experience, feedback from WfP may be fast, or not.

Samuel Keating wrote:

I'm sure it's somewhere in the document's metadata, but yes, Wordfast SHOULD treat it as untranslatable! (This only started when I upgraded from 3 to 5 a few months ago.)


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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@Samuel (other one) Feb 14

Samuel Keating wrote:
Why does this sort of data show up in my translation pane?


What happens in your original/translated file if you enable/disable/toggle field codes? It may be that some of the images are plain images, but other images are in fact field codes with additional text that shows up as images when field codes are processed.

To toggle between the display or non-display of field codes, try Alt+F9.
https://wordribbon.tips.net/T006080_Tools_to_View_Field_Codes.html

If what you're seeing are field codes, there may be no simple way of identifying them in Wordfast except by keeping the original file open next to Wordfast while translating, to see which segments are in fact field codes. Unless... you can change WFP5's DOCX file filter settings.

WFP5's DOCX file filter does not seem to have an option to exclude all field codes, but does have options for certain specific types of fields, e.g. hyperlink text.

wfp5 preferences


[Edited at 2019-02-14 22:38 GMT]


 

Samuel Keating  Identity Verified
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Not field codes Feb 15

It doesn't seem these are field codes. Alt+F9 doesn't do anything ... and clicking on them opens the Picture Tools ribbon (I can't find anything there to help either).

I'm sure that the captions/hyperlinks somehow originate from the file -- Wordfast doesn't invent captions, heh. But I don't understand why it's picking up on them ...


 

B D Finch  Identity Verified
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Same problem here Feb 15

I had the same problem some time back, but don't remember what I did about it or whether it was successful. I don't think that I found a proper solution. However, have you done a document inspection on the original Word file? That might allow you to remove personalised html data and save the cleaned document as your file for translation.

 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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It could be alt text Feb 15

Samuel Keating wrote:
Sometimes it's a photo description (top example), sometimes the thumbnail's link ...


To view alt text, in Word 2003, click the image and go Format > Picture > Web. In Word 2016, click the picture, and go Format > Alt text.

Perhaps these images were copy/pasted directly from web pages, and then the alt text for those images got copied into MS Word. But apparently Word 2016 automatically generates alt text for all images, regardless of origin. This page says you can disable that function, and try one of the two macros to remove all alt text from your documents:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-2016-auto-generates-alt-text/3128a74e-ffe4-4d4a-80d0-9713d46ca7f1


[Edited at 2019-02-15 19:46 GMT]


 

Samuel Keating  Identity Verified
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What's the fix? Feb 15

I always figured the text was somehow embedded in the images. Wordfast clearly didn't invent it

But mostly, I just want to get rid of it. It seems to me that this only started when I upgraded a few months ago, so WF3 must have been able to not pick it up.

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To make sure I know what I'm talking about, I just reinstalled WF3 and dropped the same file into it ... and sure enough, all that unneces
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I always figured the text was somehow embedded in the images. Wordfast clearly didn't invent it

But mostly, I just want to get rid of it. It seems to me that this only started when I upgraded a few months ago, so WF3 must have been able to not pick it up.

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To make sure I know what I'm talking about, I just reinstalled WF3 and dropped the same file into it ... and sure enough, all that unnecessary text doesn't show up.

Why has that changed? And more importantly, how to prevent it?

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I'll check out that link ... but it feels like a lot of unnecessary trouble. I don't really care what MS Word is up to. All I really want is for WF to drop that unnecessary text -- which it seems the last version was capable of doing.

[Edited at 2019-02-15 20:08 GMT]
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Preventing improvements Feb 15

Samuel Keating wrote:
To make sure I know what I'm talking about, I just reinstalled WF3 and dropped the same file into it ... and sure enough, all that unnecessary text doesn't show up. Why has that changed? And more importantly, how to prevent it?


Well, alt text certainly is what I would consider translatable text, so if WFP3 doesn't pick it up, then I would consider it a bug in WFP3 that was fixed in WFP5. It is unfortunate, though, that the WFP5 DOCX file filter doesn't allow one to deselect it.

Sometimes you have to edit the source text, if the CAT tool is incapable of extracting the text in the way that you want it to.

I can confirm that the first of the two macros mentioned on that page does remove the alt text from images. I don't know how to add macros in Word 2016, but GIYF. To run a macro, Alt+F8. The macros look like this when installed in Word 2003:

alt text remove macros



[Edited at 2019-02-15 20:55 GMT]


 

John Daniel
Local time: 07:16
Translate Document properties Feb 15

Hi Samuel,

Have you disabled the option Translate Document Properties?

Thank you,

John


 

Jean Lachaud  Identity Verified
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Feedback button Feb 15

Like the other Samuel (!) wrote, the fact that such Alt text can't be deselected is a bug. I strongly suggest that you report the issue to Wordfast using the Feedback button. Pointing to this thread should be clear enough for the developpers.

Samuel Keating wrote:

I always figured the text was somehow embedded in the images. Wordfast clearly didn't invent it

But mostly, I just want to get rid of it. It seems to me that this only started when I upgraded a few months ago, so WF3 must have been able to not pick it up.

***
To make sure I know what I'm talking about, I just reinstalled WF3 and dropped the same file into it ... and sure enough, all that unnecessary text doesn't show up.

Why has that changed? And more importantly, how to prevent it?

***
I'll check out that link ... but it feels like a lot of unnecessary trouble. I don't really care what MS Word is up to. All I really want is for WF to drop that unnecessary text -- which it seems the last version was capable of doing.

[Edited at 2019-02-15 20:08 GMT]


 

Samuel Keating  Identity Verified
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Confirmation Feb 15

From Wordfast, in response to a feedback report:

"The text is coming from the images' captions or alt text, and it's pulled in by default because we've had complaints of missed translations otherwise. ... We do already have an improvement in the queue to allow the user to choose to exclude images' captions / alt text."

I guess it's just a matter of waiting on that -- and keeping up with their release notes to not miss it when it actually shows up ...
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From Wordfast, in response to a feedback report:

"The text is coming from the images' captions or alt text, and it's pulled in by default because we've had complaints of missed translations otherwise. ... We do already have an improvement in the queue to allow the user to choose to exclude images' captions / alt text."

I guess it's just a matter of waiting on that -- and keeping up with their release notes to not miss it when it actually shows up
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