através da glotalização da nasal

English translation: [adapted as] glottalized nasals (see restructuring)

10:34 Nov 27, 2007

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Portuguese term or phrase: através da glotalização da nasal

Nos empréstimos em (70), interpreta-se que as oclusivas surdas ao serem adaptadas como nasais, preservam seus traços de sonoridade através da glotalização da nasal. Portanto, na integração dos empréstimos, as duas estratégias ativadas na adaptação das consoantes surdas que sucedem núcleos nasais são assim formalizadas

OK, I understand the words here (it's basically the same as English!) but I need your input on the content, I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.

Thanks!

In the loans in (70), the voiceless stops may be interpreted as being adapted as nasals and in so doing, preserve their sonority features through the glottalization of the nasal. Therefore, in loanword integration, the two strategies active in the adaptation of the voiceless consonants that follow nasal nuclei are formalized thusly:

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English translation:[adapted as] glottalized nasals (see restructuring)

Explanation:
As I see it, the first sentence fails to mention that the voiceless stop follows a nasal nucleus, which is where the sonority and nasality are coming from. The glottalized nasal is a common adaptation. A colleague of mine used to introduce a glottalized nasal in similar environments when she spoke Spanish, which our instructor wanted her to "lose."

Here is my interpretation of your sentence, in which I have ADDED the nasal nuclei to the first sentence. It may not be an ideal solution, but I think it gets closer to what your author wants to say.

In (70) the voiceless stops in the loans appear to have been adapted as glottalized nasals, which preserve the sonority of the nasal nucleus. Thus, in the integration of loans, the two strategies triggered in the adaptation of voiceless consonants following nasal nuclei are formalized in this way.

Examples of "glottalized nasal":

The **glottalized nasal is not properly an ejective with simultaneous oral and glottal closure**... Figure 9 is an example spectrogram of the glottalized nasal in the word yii ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1402013523...

**Buckley treats the glottalized nasal as basic and derives the voiced stop by rule**. He opts for this directionality since it results in a more symmetrical ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0020-7071(200101)67%3A1%3C92%3ATAOKPA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Z

**The typical Witsuwit'en glottalized nasal is postglottalized with. suprasegmentalized nasalization**, but there is also variation in the timing of ...
lsadc.org/info/pdf_files/2006_Meeting_Handbook.pdf

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Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 18:31

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Thanks for taking a go at this -
I adopted your suggestions 100% - it seems much closer and clearer and I think it encapsulates ever major issue in the Portuguese so, for me, perfect. Thanks so much!
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Summary of answers provided

through glotalization of the nasal

Elvira Alves Barry

through glotalization of the nasals

Michael Powers (PhD)

[adapted as] glottalized nasals (see restructuring)

Muriel Vasconcellos

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54 mins confidence:

through glotalization of the nasal

Explanation:
example:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cmp-lg/pdf/9603/9603005v1.pdf

or "by glotalizing the nasal".

Elvira Alves Barry
Local time: 02:31
Native speaker of:

English

1 hr confidence:

through glotalization of the nasals

Explanation:
In linguistics we usually make reference to laterals and nasalsor

I have another two other suggested changes also in what you translated:

voiced features/(characteristics) NOT sonorous - it is in counter-position to "voiceless" "voiced" is the linguistic term that is used in phonology

"formalized thusly" sounds forced - much more natural to say "formed like that."

Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 21:31
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 120

10 hrs confidence:

[adapted as] glottalized nasals (see restructuring)

Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 18:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 2542

Grading comment

Thanks for taking a go at this -
I adopted your suggestions 100% - it seems much closer and clearer and I think it encapsulates ever major issue in the Portuguese so, for me, perfect. Thanks so much!

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