bouilleur de cru

English translation: heritage distiller

09:11 Jun 19, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Business/Commerce (general)
French term or phrase: bouilleur de cru
would home distiller be a correct translation???
Arusha Topazzini (X)
France
Local time: 23:07
English translation:heritage distiller
Explanation:
Not easy to put in a few words in English because it is so associated with French history and culture.

I am also assuming your bouilleurs de cru are the legal variety, a dying breed.

The right to legally distill spirits was attributed I don't know when, then there was a turnaround and it was decided to no longer allow it. As a result, the people entitled so to do are getting on in years (in their eighties or so), and the right cannot be passed on. So there's a notion of heritage. Maybe "heritage distiller" in quote marks.

Definitely a "heritage" thing, something one enjoys for its quaintness, its "home-spun-ness". Certainly the home-produced calvados I've drunk in my part of Normandy is rubbish compared to commercial produce. Much of it has never so much as touched the inside of a wooden cask or mellowed in any way. Much of it smells and tastes not at all of apples, which good young calvados will, but of raw, unadulterated alcohol. It's something you drink to get drunk quickly on, or to savour the last remnants of an age very soon gone by.
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Bourth (X)
Local time: 23:07
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there quite a few interesting and helpful ideas...but i think yours is the most original and elegant...
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2heritage distiller
Bourth (X)
4grower-distiller
Alain Alameddine
4jobbing distiller
eggsacion (X)
3small-scale private distillers
Helen Shiner
3artisan distiller
Susan Nicholls
3moonshiner
rkillings
Summary of reference entries provided
home distiller
Celine Reau
not a linguistic authority, but an interesting overview in English
Susan Nicholls

Discussion entries: 16





  

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grower-distiller


Explanation:
The idea is that this person is not reselling a product he has bought, he is selling a product he has "grown" himself.


    Reference: http://www.thefiftybest.com/spirits/best_cognac/5/
Alain Alameddine
Lebanon
Local time: 00:07
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jean-Louis S.
55 mins

neutral  Michael GREEN: They don't necessarily grow it themselves - a long-standing tradition in Normandy is to take your crop of apples to the local "bouilleur du cru", who does the distilling for you (Calvados is distilled directly from apples).They are not allowed to sell
1 hr

disagree  David Vaughn: As Michael points out, grower doesn't necessarily come into t, and this sounds commercial to me.
1 hr
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
heritage distiller


Explanation:
Not easy to put in a few words in English because it is so associated with French history and culture.

I am also assuming your bouilleurs de cru are the legal variety, a dying breed.

The right to legally distill spirits was attributed I don't know when, then there was a turnaround and it was decided to no longer allow it. As a result, the people entitled so to do are getting on in years (in their eighties or so), and the right cannot be passed on. So there's a notion of heritage. Maybe "heritage distiller" in quote marks.

Definitely a "heritage" thing, something one enjoys for its quaintness, its "home-spun-ness". Certainly the home-produced calvados I've drunk in my part of Normandy is rubbish compared to commercial produce. Much of it has never so much as touched the inside of a wooden cask or mellowed in any way. Much of it smells and tastes not at all of apples, which good young calvados will, but of raw, unadulterated alcohol. It's something you drink to get drunk quickly on, or to savour the last remnants of an age very soon gone by.

Bourth (X)
Local time: 23:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 377
Grading comment
there quite a few interesting and helpful ideas...but i think yours is the most original and elegant...
Notes to answerer
Asker: a nice idea...it might work, thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michael GREEN: Sorry about your bad luck with local Calva - I'll have to find a bottle of my (now deceased) neighbour's Calva - when you pulled the cork the room filled with a scent of apples ... and to get back to the point, "heritage distiller" gets my vote.
1 hr

agree  Helen Shiner: All info perused, I am tending towards this solution, even if a little allergic to 'heritage' in this instance (I bet the participants might also be/have been, too). Or should I say, all info distilled...?
2 hrs
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jobbing distiller


Explanation:
is how I've translated it in the past

eggsacion (X)
France
Local time: 23:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Asker: thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Bourth (X): Yes, that's a notion I didn't go into, that many of these people tow their stills round on trailers to produce gnole for anyone who has a load of apples, plums, etc.
3 mins

disagree  David Vaughn: Only refers to a fraction of the term.
8 mins
  -> it's true that bouilleur de cru was quite special in that it was an inherited right, it depends on the context on how much you want/need to say. This solution is neat and unobtrusive but it doesn't have all the associations of the original term
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small-scale private distillers


Explanation:
As Michael says, this would need clarification for an EN readership either way, since such a practice is not permitted in the UK or US.

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small-scale distillers (not licensed for re-sale) perhaps?

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:07
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
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Asker: thank you!

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artisan distiller


Explanation:
As I understand it, the BdC owes his identity to the peculiarities of French law and so has no direct equivalent. It could be a home distiller, a farm distiller, or a mobile distiller from what I can see. But all of them are using traditional methods to create spirits on a small scale, so "artisan distiller" provides some sort of all round description.

Hmmm, I too have memories of calvados aged in bottles containing nuts (of oak?), great for flambéed apple crêpes or indeed for replacing methylated spirits (lights well cold!).

Susan Nicholls
Local time: 07:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: thank you! an other interesting idea...

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moonshiner


Explanation:
Strictly North American (Canada included), though.

Posted mainly to refute the notion that moonshine is always and everywhere illegal. In some states it is not: small-scale production for 'personal use' is permitted. And in jurisdictions that are not totally dry, it's always been about taxes on alcohol anyway. The guys who come round to shut down the clandestine stills are the Revenooers.

We Murricans don't go for inherited privilege. Oh wait -- excepting Maine lobstermen …

rkillings
United States
Local time: 14:07
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 278
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Reference comments


3 hrs
Reference: home distiller

Reference information:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouilleur_de_cru

http://www.tourisme68.com/en/sejours-insolites-et-ludiques/d...

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:C:1998:196:SOM:EN:...

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http://www.laterre.fr/article.php3?id_article=430
and one more that shows that the pure alcohol is not for a commercial use.
In the past it was used in farms as an antiseptic for to cure animals.

Celine Reau
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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3 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: not a linguistic authority, but an interesting overview in English

Reference information:
http://www.wineterroirs.com/2007/01/bouilleur_cru.html

Susan Nicholls
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Michael GREEN: Thank you Susan - a fascinating link - and I learn that it is legal in New Zealand - good place to retire to, too ...
22 mins
  -> Thanks, Michael
agree  Helen Shiner: all you could ever wish to know on the subject, bar tasting the product.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Helen
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