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камер-юнгфрау

English translation: Ladies of the Chamber

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Russian term or phrase:камер-юнгфрау
English translation:Ladies of the Chamber
Entered by: Igor Timko

16:46 May 24, 2010
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History
Russian term or phrase: камер-юнгфрау
Контекст:
Он [Камер-юргфарский корпус в Царицыно] предназначался для размещения входивших в свиту императрицы [Екатерины Второй] ***камер-юнгфрау***
Igor Timko
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:36
Ladies of the Chamber
Explanation:
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-05-24 19:54:45 GMT)
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For the record: a Lady of the Chamber, a Kammerjungfrau comparable to a Kammerjunker, is a bit different from a chambermaid! The latter, for example, might be expected to make the bed and scrub out the chamberpot, whereas a Lady of the Chamber is a fancy court term for Lady's Maid or Lady in Waiting - the highest type of attendant, including in social station.


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Note added at 17 hrs (2010-05-25 10:03:54 GMT)
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By the way, while looking up your Кухонный корпус, I see that the Oxford Companion to the Garden calls this component the "Ladies-in-waiting Pavilion."
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Rachel Douglas
United States
Local time: 05:36
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2chambermaid / lady's maid
AndriyRubashnyy
3a female page / a she-page
Michael Korovkin
3Ladies of the Chamber
Rachel Douglas
Summary of reference entries provided
pic
Jim Tucker (X)

  

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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
chambermaid / lady's maid


Explanation:
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Oskar Kokoschka / Hiob, Kammerjungfrau und Papagei / 1916-1917
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Oskar Kokoschka / Hiob, Kammerjungfrau und Papagei / 1916-1917. ... Title: Job, chambermaid and parrot. Title Type: Primary View: Full View ...
www.davidrumsey.com/amica/amico683400-69879.html - Im Cache
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Domestic service and female domestic servants: A port-city ...
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von R Lee - 2005 - Zitiert durch: 2 - Ähnliche Artikel
... distinguishing between housekeepers, Kammerjungfrauen (chambermaids), and companions. But the absence of nominative data is compensated, to some degree, ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1081602X05000424 - Ähnlich
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The AMICA Library - Search Results: AMICA ID equal to 'LACM.83.1.126b'
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Hiob, Hiob, Kammerjungfrau und Papagei, Job, Job, chambermaid and … 1916-1917. Los Angeles County Museum of Art. 1-1 of 1. Sort Options ...
amica.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/view/search?search...q...

fille de chambre [F] foreign term : lady's maid.
http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/French/Vocabulary/French-In...

AndriyRubashnyy
Local time: 12:36
Native speaker of: Native in UkrainianUkrainian, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Inna Katashova: горничная иными словами
29 mins
  -> Спасибо!
agree  OscarZ
29 mins
  -> Thanks!
neutral  Rachel Douglas: In English, a "lady's maid" and a "chambermaid" are about as far apart in rank as you could get.
2 hrs
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
a female page / a she-page


Explanation:
Не спец в геральдике. “юнг“ может трактоваться как молодая (по возрасту) и как младшая (по положению). Если последнее, то может они и правда горничные. Но сильно в этом сомневаюсь: камерюнкеры (то есть мужской эквивалент) были исключительно благородного происхождения (а взрослея производились в камергеры) Мой дедушка в молодости был камерюнкером, а потом и камергером Его В.ства, будучи при этом князем рюриковских кровей. И, уверяю вас, комнату он подметать не стал бы не только Императору и Самодержцу, но и самому Всевышнему! Девочки эти, думаю, были горубых кровей и воспитывались для нахождения при Дворе Ее В.ства

Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 11:36
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 36
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Ladies of the Chamber


Explanation:
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-05-24 19:54:45 GMT)
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For the record: a Lady of the Chamber, a Kammerjungfrau comparable to a Kammerjunker, is a bit different from a chambermaid! The latter, for example, might be expected to make the bed and scrub out the chamberpot, whereas a Lady of the Chamber is a fancy court term for Lady's Maid or Lady in Waiting - the highest type of attendant, including in social station.


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Note added at 17 hrs (2010-05-25 10:03:54 GMT)
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By the way, while looking up your Кухонный корпус, I see that the Oxford Companion to the Garden calls this component the "Ladies-in-waiting Pavilion."

Rachel Douglas
United States
Local time: 05:36
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 91
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks a lot for your answer! It was the "fancy court term" that I was after. I felt bad about translating "Kammerjungfrau" as "chambermaid" :)

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Reference comments


2 hrs
Reference: pic

Reference information:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Welt-Galleria_T023.jp...

Jim Tucker (X)
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
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