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fliegende Abteilung

English translation: Wing UK - Group US

20:11 Jan 31, 2014
German to English translations [PRO]
Military / Defense
German term or phrase: fliegende Abteilung
Dienstzeugnis:
Dieser Herr war Kampfhubschrauberführer in der "Fliegenden Abteilung" Nr…
Ich habe "flight detachment" und "flying battalion" gefunden. Was ist richtig?
Danke im Voraus!
Ulrike Spitzer
Canada
Local time: 06:06
English translation:Wing UK - Group US
Explanation:
Ein Schwarm ist eine Flugformation von vier bis sechs Kampfflugzeugen - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarm_(Luftfahrt)
A flight is a military unit in an air force, naval air service, or army air corps. It usually comprises three to six aircraft,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_(military_unit)
So a flight is a pretty much a Schwarm

Eine Flugzeugstaffel der deutschen Luftwaffe bestand aus neun bis zwölf Flugzeugen und gliederte sich in drei Schwärme mit je vier Flugzeugen - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffel_(Militär)#Luftwaffe
This I suppose is about as close as you are going to get to a squadron

A squadron in air force, army aviation, or naval aviation is mainly a unit comprising a number of military aircraft and their flight crews, usually of the same type, typically with 12 to 24 aircraft, sometimes divided into three or four flights,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_(military_aviation_unit)

Die Fliegende Abteilung 101 besteht aus einer Stabs/Flugbetriebsstaffel und drei Hubschrauber-Staffeln, die sich wiederum in jeweils vier Schwärme untergliedern.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporthubschrauberregiment_1...
So we are talking about a major unit and I am afraid that I have to disagree with the others - this is definitely not a squadron or a flight.

In most military aviation services, a wing is a relatively large formation of planes. In Commonwealth countries a wing usually comprises three squadrons, with several wings forming a group (around 10 squadrons). Each squadron will contain around 20 planes. In the United States Air Force, a wing is equivalent to a group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_(air_force_unit)
So depends who you are writing for…. UK/Commonwealth = wing, US = group


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Note added at 16 hrs (2014-02-01 12:19:27 GMT)
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A Fliegende Abteilung is made up of 3 Staffel so at least 30 aircraft + a staff/groundcrew unit. It is not a squadron - that can be made up of as few as 12 aircraft. 2 or more squadrons make up a wing.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2014-02-01 13:21:01 GMT)
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Maybe it is not clear enough from the above - but here goes with a breakdown
Flight - Schwarm
Squadron - Flugzeugstaffel
Wing - Fliegende Abteilung
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Charles Stanford
Czech Republic
Local time: 15:06
Grading comment
Thanks, everyone! I made a comparison chart for German and Canadian air force with your help.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +1Wing UK - Group US
Charles Stanford
4 +1squadron
Lancashireman
4 -1flight
Ronald van Riet
3flight
Yorkshireman


  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
squadron


Explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Helicopter_Squadron

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Note added at 22 mins (2014-01-31 20:33:37 GMT)
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OK. Different structure.
'flight detachment' sounds ok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMX-1
Not convinced by 'flying battalion' which has a narrative ring to it.

Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:06
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 90
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for the quick reply! I think the Fliegende Abteilung is a subdivision of the squadron. The sentence continues, but I don't know how to get into the field above to add this: …war als Hubschrauberführer in the Fliegenden Abteilung x des Kampfhubschrauberregiments x in … tätig. Ich denke: …was helicopter pilot in the "Fliegende Abteilung" of the combat helicopter squadron in...

Asker: Gliederung Bundeswehr Luftbewegliche Brigade 1 Kampfhubschrauberregiment 26 Fliegende Abteilung 261


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ramey Rieger (X): Yes, Sir.// Of which there is a veritable flood.
33 mins
  -> Thanks, Ramey. Another example of the pitfall presented by context trickle.
disagree  Ronald van Riet: Squadron = Geschwader, this is a smaller organizational unit.
48 mins
agree  Clive Phillips: "Bei den Heeresfliegern bilden zwei Staffeln eine Fliegende Abteilung in einem Regiment." In Army Aviation (Brit Army: AAC), two flights form a squadron within a wing. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffel_(Militär)
3 hrs
  -> Thanks for the reference, Clive.
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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
flight


Explanation:
a flight is a subdivision of a squadron (= Geschwader) and this seems to fit better, but knowing wat the number of the fliegende Abteilung is, might help to find out exactly what is meant here.

Ronald van Riet
Local time: 15:06
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Ronald. I tried to add this information. It in my reply to the previous answerer. "Gliederung: Bundeswehr -- Luftbewegliche Brigade 1 -- Kampfhubschrauberregiment 26 -- Fliegende Abteilung 261"


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Yorkshireman: Hi Ronald, looks like I hijacked your answer - it wasn't there while I was writing.
5 mins
disagree  Lancashireman: Ultimately, it has been shown that we were both incorrect. You have the added satisfaction of having got it wrong even after the supplementary context was provided.
1 hr
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55 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
flight


Explanation:
Pilot in an attack helicopter flight.

A flight is a unit of several aircraft, often attached (particularly in the case of helicopters) to an army unit. Several flights together form a squadron - a term generally used when the aircraft belong to an air force rather than an army battalion or brigade.

Yorkshireman
Germany
Local time: 15:06
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 11
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Wing UK - Group US


Explanation:
Ein Schwarm ist eine Flugformation von vier bis sechs Kampfflugzeugen - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarm_(Luftfahrt)
A flight is a military unit in an air force, naval air service, or army air corps. It usually comprises three to six aircraft,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_(military_unit)
So a flight is a pretty much a Schwarm

Eine Flugzeugstaffel der deutschen Luftwaffe bestand aus neun bis zwölf Flugzeugen und gliederte sich in drei Schwärme mit je vier Flugzeugen - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffel_(Militär)#Luftwaffe
This I suppose is about as close as you are going to get to a squadron

A squadron in air force, army aviation, or naval aviation is mainly a unit comprising a number of military aircraft and their flight crews, usually of the same type, typically with 12 to 24 aircraft, sometimes divided into three or four flights,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_(military_aviation_unit)

Die Fliegende Abteilung 101 besteht aus einer Stabs/Flugbetriebsstaffel und drei Hubschrauber-Staffeln, die sich wiederum in jeweils vier Schwärme untergliedern.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporthubschrauberregiment_1...
So we are talking about a major unit and I am afraid that I have to disagree with the others - this is definitely not a squadron or a flight.

In most military aviation services, a wing is a relatively large formation of planes. In Commonwealth countries a wing usually comprises three squadrons, with several wings forming a group (around 10 squadrons). Each squadron will contain around 20 planes. In the United States Air Force, a wing is equivalent to a group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_(air_force_unit)
So depends who you are writing for…. UK/Commonwealth = wing, US = group


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Note added at 16 hrs (2014-02-01 12:19:27 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

A Fliegende Abteilung is made up of 3 Staffel so at least 30 aircraft + a staff/groundcrew unit. It is not a squadron - that can be made up of as few as 12 aircraft. 2 or more squadrons make up a wing.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 17 hrs (2014-02-01 13:21:01 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Maybe it is not clear enough from the above - but here goes with a breakdown
Flight - Schwarm
Squadron - Flugzeugstaffel
Wing - Fliegende Abteilung

Charles Stanford
Czech Republic
Local time: 15:06
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks, everyone! I made a comparison chart for German and Canadian air force with your help.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lancashireman: Good research
1 day 21 hrs
  -> Thanks very much Andrew
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