wreed slach folk

English translation: harsh kind of people

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Dutch term or phrase:	wreed slach folk
English translation:	harsh kind of people
Entered by:	dmesnier

15:00 Nov 26, 2015

Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / Newspaper biography - Frisian phrase

Dutch term or phrase: wreed slach folk

Note to moderator: although there is a Frisian language entry, the bulk of the example is in standard Dutch.

Hi, this phrase is contained in an article on the history of a Frisian inn built in the late 1800's. I'm having trouble coming up with anything I'm satisfied with, not sure if this is a type of brigade, small party. Thanks for your help.

De bewoners van Boerestreek, Brègeleane en Alddyk kwamen vaak bijeen in de herberg. Er was ecther nog een vierde buurt, dat was de Alddyk richting Klidze. Hier woonden mensen, die zo arm waren, dat ze helemaal leefden aan de zelfkant van het bestaan. Ze vormden een “wreed slach folk”.

dmesnier KudoZ activity Questions: 579 (2 open) (22 without valid answers) (21 closed without grading) Answers: 0 United States
Local time: 05:15

harsh kind of people

Explanation:
Wrede slag van mensen. Slach is slag, als in 'wat voor een slag mensen is dat'?
Van Dale: aard, soort
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een vreemd slag (van) mensen
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een raar slag (van) volk

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Note added at 7 mins (2015-11-26 15:08:26 GMT)
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I like Freek's bunch -> They were a harsh bunch of people.

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Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 06:15

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4 +1

harsh kind of people

Lianne van de Ven

3 +1

rude/coarse/raw-edged group of people

Richard Purdom

wretched people

katerina turevich

fierce race of people

L Copland

Discussion entries: 12

Michael Shano

Netherlands

22:00 Nov 30, 2015

I certainly put my foot in my mouth here and understand that it would be very inappropriate. The quotation marks around the phrase do suggest you can paraphrase boldly but not inappropriately.

Richard Purdom

Portugal

20:16 Nov 30, 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck absolutely not

Michael Shano

Netherlands

19:19 Nov 30, 2015

How about just translating the phrase with "rednecks"? The choice depends on the style of writing chosen by the author.

Richard Purdom

Portugal

12:00 Nov 27, 2015

'bunch' is too informal.

'wretched' to me means they are exploited/put upon/etc. through no fault of their own, so might be a good option. 'Vile' is overly negative and judgmental, 'badass' a poor bit of modern American slang

katerina turevich

Netherlands

11:25 Nov 27, 2015

"wretched folk"

but maybe wretched has more of despair in it than required here (die zo arm waren)

freekfluweel

Netherlands

zootje allegaar

10:24 Nov 27, 2015

Het betreft hier bewoners van een bepaalde buurt en niet een universeel slag mensen (race) en ook niet een georganiseerde groep (group)...

"Ja, daar bij de Alddyk woonde ook nog een zootje die zo arm waren..."

I'd go for bunch

katerina turevich

Netherlands

it depends completely on the context

01:05 Nov 27, 2015

whether it's colloquial or more formal (like a history text book or similar descriptions)

still I would go with Evgeny's "mean/vile bunch" - it's applicable to all types of descriptions

or maybe : "badass kind of people" ::

"kind of people" can be mine or yours, or not mine or yours; they can give you the creeps or they can give to charity; as far as stringing it with an adjective, I'd say there are only the "worst kind of people" or "the most (un)pleasant group of people", but not much else.

Lianne van de Ven

United States

@Phil

15:35 Nov 26, 2015

Rough and ready dekt de lading zeker. Gezien de vraag (is this a type of brigade, small party?) leek het me om een uitleg van de betekenis te gaan, afgezien van de beste bewoording in het Engels.

philgoddard

United States

15:27 Nov 26, 2015

I wonder whether "harsh" is the right meaning. Their existence was harsh, but does that mean they were? Could the connotation be "rough and ready"?

jan en sas

Netherlands

15:12 Nov 26, 2015

Is geen Fries, in het Fries zeggen we, wreed soart minsken. dit is gewoon Nederlands

Evgeny Artemov (X)

South Africa

Good idea to look into the Frysk wurdeboek, Freek

15:11 Nov 26, 2015

I'd say, 'mean/vile bunch"

freekfluweel

Netherlands

slach = slag = allooi = kind, sort, class

15:05 Nov 26, 2015

bunch

wreed = barbaars

http://www.majstro.com/Web/Majstro/bdict.php?gebrTaal=dut&br...

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3 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

harsh kind of people

Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 06:15
Native speaker of:

Dutch
PRO pts in category: 20

Grading comment

Thanks!

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

rude/coarse/raw-edged group of people

Explanation:
'rude' in its old-fashioned is best, but only if you are writing the whole thing in such a style.Otherwise 'coarse'

Richard Purdom
Portugal
Local time: 11:15
Native speaker of: English

18 hrs confidence:

fierce race of people

Explanation:
I found a Dutch translation of an Edgar Allan Poe story that included a similar term. I like the "race" of people because this really makes them sound like a different sort completely, which is how they were probably perceived at the time.

Example sentence(s):

dat er een ruw en wrede slag mensen / and of the uncouth and fierce races of men

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mystery_Tales_of_Edgar_Allan_Poe/A_Tale_of_the_Ragged_Mountains
https://books.google.nl/books?id=Z3bFBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT47&lpg=PT47&dq=wrede+slag+mensen&source=bl&ots=378egBoQV2&sig=GI1N8kGDmAyN8qI_kxa0dBkhRic

L Copland
Netherlands
Local time: 12:15
Native speaker of: English

4 days confidence:

wretched people

Explanation:
wretched people/folk

But in reality, said Jesus, they were ‘wretched people, miserable, and poor, and blind and naked’ (Revelation 3.17),

England had many poor and wretched people with no prospects, whose very presence was resented by the upper classes. - Russell Roberts - 2010 - ‎Juvenile Nonfiction

Have fun!

katerina turevich
Netherlands
Local time: 12:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

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