l'âge de 5 ans révolus

English translation: up to their completed 5th year / until their 5th birthday

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French term or phrase:	jusqu'à l'âge de 5 ans révolus
English translation:	up to their completed 5th year / until their 5th birthday
Entered by:	Ed Ashley

20:58 Feb 10, 2016

The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2016-02-14 16:54:16 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)

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Social Sciences - General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters / Personnel medical/death insurance cover

French term or phrase: l'âge de 5 ans révolus

This is in a staff insurance contract for sickness, death, disability etc.

"Vaccins préventifs pour enfant jusqu'à l'âge de 5 ans revolus."

This comes just following on from medical fees for giving birth.

Am I right to assume this means "..up to and including 5 years of age" ?

Lara Barnett KudoZ activity Questions: 2102 (8 open) (12 without valid answers) (216 closed without grading) Answers: 1884 United Kingdom
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up to their completed 5th year / until their 5th birthday

Explanation:
Never assume ;-) It means until they turn 5 and not after.

"Jeunes jusqu’à l’âge de 25 ans révolus en formation dans des instituts
pour personnes malentendantes ou malvoyantes"

http://www.bls.ch/f/reisen-ausfluege/gruppen-tipp.php

"young people up to the completed 25th year of age from schools for the deaf
and for the blind/partially sighted"

http://www.bls.ch/e/reisen-ausfluege/gruppen-tipp.php

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Ed Ashley
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:55

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4 +12

up to their completed 5th year / until their 5th birthday

Ed Ashley

3 +2

to the age of 5

pooja_chic

Under 6

Stephen Kilgore

Up to the age of 6

Wolf Draeger

4 -2

attaining the (unrevolting) age of 5

Adrian MM. (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

révolu

Roy vd Heijden

L’âge en années révolues

Daryo

Discussion entries: 10

Lara Barnett

United Kingdom

ASKER

To all.

16:51 Feb 11, 2016

Thank you for all your help. This question has caused the most amount of "hidden answers" I have ever come across (as you probably know, I get to see how many answers get hidden) !

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

"up until their 5th birthday"

12:27 Feb 11, 2016

would be the most unambiguous way of saying this, in my opinion

Ed Ashley

United Kingdom

So basically...

21:56 Feb 10, 2016

We're all a year older than we thought we were. Great! Crack open the champagne!

Wolf Draeger

South Africa

LOL

21:55 Feb 10, 2016

Ed & Andrew, you are in fact correct. When you turn 1, you've lived one full year; when you turn 2, you've lived two full years, and so on. So up to five full years means up to the age of 5.

Another way to think about it is that on your first birthday you begin your second year, on your second birthday you begin your third year, and so on. So you begin your sixth year on your fifth birthday but you only turn 6 at the end of your sixth year (after six full years).

Ed Ashley

United Kingdom

Another source

21:45 Feb 10, 2016

So, according a parallel text on eur-lex: "Le droit à une pension nationale repose sur le critère de la résidence pendant une période d'au moins trois ans à compter de l'âge de 16 ans révolu" translates as "Entitlement to a State pension is acquired through a period of residence of at least three years after attaining the age of 16", so "l'âge de 16 ans révolu(s)" is the point at which you "attain the age of 16". Tell me that doesn't further muddy the water, please!

Ed Ashley

United Kingdom

I'm with Andrew

21:30 Feb 10, 2016

I'm either having a severe mental block, or the completed fifth year really does mean up to the fifth birthday and not after...

Andrew Mason

France

Lara,

21:20 Feb 10, 2016

I think you'll find, given the context, that this means coverage stops on the child's fifth birthday.

Ed Ashley

United Kingdom

@AllegroTrans

21:17 Feb 10, 2016

Your logic is right, but the fifth year is from the fourth until the fifth birthday.

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

@ Wolf

21:14 Feb 10, 2016

I think you are right - effectively "up to the age of 5 completed years", i.e. until sixth birthday

Wolf Draeger

South Africa

Up to the age of 6

21:09 Feb 10, 2016

Hi Lara, I think you've got the right idea. I wonder if the simpler "up to the age of 6" would also work, i.e. up to but not including the child's sixth birthday.

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9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

l\'âge de 5 ans revolus to the age of 5

Explanation:
jusqu\'à l\'âge de 5 ans revolus: to the age of 5 / up to the age of 5
Or up to and including 5 years of age

pooja_chic
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

17 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +12

l\\\'âge de 5 ans revolus

up to their completed 5th year / until their 5th birthday

Ed Ashley
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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agree

Andrew Mason: This is the right answer

22 mins

-> Thanks, Andrew.

agree

Wolf Draeger: Or "Up to the age of 5" // (4 yrs + 365 days) Yes, tricky coz it's insurance; is the birthday the end of the previous year or the start of the next?

32 mins

-> Thanks, Wolf. Thr danger is that "age of 5" could feasibly be interpreted as 5 years and 364 days, whereas I think the entitlement ends on the day the child turns 5, if you see what I mean...

agree

Sheila Wilson

45 mins

-> Thanks, Sheila.

agree

AllegroTrans: Ed, you are right (it's me that had a crazy episode...)

59 mins

-> It happens to the best of us! Cheers!

agree

Patrick Lemaire: Correct answer.

1 hr

-> Thank you!

agree

katsy

2 hrs

-> Thank you!

agree

writeaway: it seems to me this isn't the first time this has come up. should be buried in the glossary somewhere

7 hrs

-> Thanks, writeaway. Yes, Adrian posted a link to another entry for "à compter de l'âge de X ans révolus". I find it strange that you should need the 'révolu' for 'from the age of', though. Maybe I've just thought about this too much.

agree

Louisa Tchaicha

7 hrs

-> Thanks!

agree

Michele Fauble

9 hrs

-> Thanks, Michele.

agree

Khwansuree DEROLLEPOT

17 hrs

-> Thanks, Khwansuree.

agree

tradu-grace

20 hrs

-> Thanks!

agree

erwan-l: Of course.

1 day 9 hrs

-> Thank you.

39 mins confidence:

l\'âge de 5 ans revolus Under 6

Explanation:
Hmm. Maybe this'll work now?

From my previous answer:

Generally the translation for "x ans révolus" would be "over the age of X" x being non inclusive. So "5 ans révolus" would be six years old. "Until over the age of 5" is a bit wordy and ambiguous, so I'd translate it as "children under six"

(new here, hope I got the answering mechanism right this time)

Stephen Kilgore
United States
Local time: 17:55
Native speaker of:

English

32 mins confidence:

l\'âge de 5 ans revolus Up to the age of 6

Explanation:
No need to overcomplicate this: *révolu* means the full duration of the period in question; it relates to the years, not the number (roughly "full years").

Thus *Avoir 5 ans révolus* means to be over 5 years of age, i.e. to have lived five years in full and thus passed one's sixth birthday. In the same way *jusqu'à l'age de 5 ans révolus* means to be on the cusp of one's sixth birthday, i.e. to have not yet turned 6.

I have checked this in four FR-EN dictionaries.
If in doubt, count on your fingers!

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Note added at 46 mins (2016-02-10 21:44:56 GMT)
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On second thought, I realize I've got it completely wrong and that Ed and Andrew are correct. Five full years means up to the age of five because each birthday signifies a full year has been lived ... Wow, I feel really small now for having posted a confidence level of 5!

In the interests of science, I'll leave my answer as a caution against hubris. Please feel free to disagree and send it to the bottom where it belongs :-)

Wolf Draeger
South Africa
Local time: 23:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 34

48 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

l'âge de 5 ans revolus attaining the (unrevolting) age of 5

Explanation:
Compare in DE: bis zur *Erreichung* des 5. Lebensjahr

Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/general_conversa...

Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 23:55
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Reference comments

10 mins peer agreement (net): +1

Reference: révolu

Reference information:
« B. − P. anal., domaine temporel. Qui est écoulé, achevé. Synon. accompli, passé.Année révolue. Si après douze mois révolus la duchesse n'avait pas rendu lesdits 80 000 francs à Ludovic, la terre de la Ricciarda resterait sa propriété (STENDHAL,Chartreuse, 1839, p. 373).Après mes neuf ans révolus, on parla un instant de me mettre au collège (LOTI,Rom. enf., 1890, p. 128). »
(http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/revolu)

Roy vd Heijden
Belgium
Native speaker of:

Dutch

8 hrs peer agreement (net): +3

Reference: L’âge en années révolues

Reference information:
« L’âge en années révolues » est le nombre d’années entières écoulées entre la date de naissance de la personne et la date de référence utilisée.
Par exemple, pour une personne née le 1er juillet 1960, l’âge atteint en 2000 est 40 ans. En années révolues, l’âge est de 40 ans si la date de référence est comprise entre le 1er juillet 2000 et le 30 juin 2001 ; il est donc de 39 ans du 1er janvier au 30 juin 2000.
L’âge atteint s’obtient simplement par comparaison de l’année considérée et de l’année de naissance. Au 1er janvier d’une année donnée, l’âge en années révolues correspond à l’âge atteint au cours de l’année précédente..

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Âge_d'une_personne#L.E2.80.99....

Daryo
United Kingdom
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 105

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