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Dutch to English translations [PRO] Medical - Medical (general) / mental health
Dutch term or phrase:Vrijzinnige vrijbuiters
Hello everybody!
these are definitions to identify various degree lunatics
Vrijzinnige vrijbuiters – chronic psychotic , reject medicine Kranige kruidragers – schizophrenia, heavy burden for others Standvastige strijders – in constant opposition to others, encounters are short and not of any impact Verkommerden en verloederden
Thanks everybody for all the input! I like this, and I agree with you on the unnecessary tautology, but, yes, this is the way it was meant to be. Thanks again!
Your young and healthy skin is now officially part of my mental image of you, and shall remain so until I receive such information as to invalidate it.
Regarding knowing (or its evil twin), I'd say that you probably can't not know what you know, so you are probably right. Hmm, if a person "knows what they know", would this imply that they are also aware of what they don't know?
OK, I'll shut up now; I have a patent to finish, and am stuck on a 150-word sentence about something so abstract it can only be referred to obliquely, in morse code whispers.
You'd think I'd have learnt a thing or two from all the Agatha Christie I've been reading over the last few months. ;)
Funny how you form a picture of the various people here with no photo, or limited information on their profile, only to then have it smashed to bits by cold, harsh reality. I did guess your age right, more or less. I knew you couldn't be in your 20s, or even 30s, as you "speak" with far too authoritative a voice. ;-)
Vrijzinnige vrijbuiters – chronic psychotics , reject medication, reject any (medical) help, and have little understanding of their own condition. Often exhibiting self-neglect and filthiness . They roam and end up socially isolated. Some relatives may be remotely concerned, but any support is precluded from the start. this is from this text that Kitty put up: bemoei je ermee
well yes, I am looking for some kind of similar colloquial description of a mental patient in an English speaking institution. It doesn't have to be colloquial as such, it should probably be used by staff to refer to particular patients. I can go now re-read Ken Kesey or Salinger and other literature. I was hoping someone could help. - Barend, I hope your kind words will make summer stay in our neighborhood :-) alliteration would be nice, but it is secondary. I love Mavericks.
All I can say at this point is that I do think this suggestion's register is much better in this context than that of 'Cross-bearing Christ figures', which would be contemptuous/mocking/grotesque.
This is going to be a real challenge, Katerina, and it would probably be better if you took refuge to a desert island for a while to contemplate the meaning of these terms within this context and to find English terms that convey this specific meaning.
'vrijzinnig' obviously cannot be taken literally here.
It rather means that all their thinking is not troubled by any form of reality testing.
I used to work for Amsterdam Thuiszorg documentatiecentrum. We published a journal with relevant news, and kept track of the terminology employed in the field/company. My supervisor had a sense of humor and kept this. The records go back as far as the '90s, and in fact most of it is simple, but quite fascinating look at the Dutch Health Care system from a librarian's point of view, i.e. not biased in any way.
Het blijkt dat deze betitelingen niet denigrerend zijn bedoeld. De definities zijn uitgebreider en bieden + de context meer inzicht in de bedoeling van die ogenschijnlijke 'funny' etiketten.
Zo is die 'kranige kruisdrager' iemand die 'al zijn lijden in isolement op zich neemt (en daarin volhardt, dat volhoudt)'.
De termen moeten begrepen worden in het kader van het betoog (zeer beperkt netwerk bv.)
***************************** def. of "filibuster": A person engaging in unauthorized warfare against a foreign state. (compare w/ "chronic psychotic, rejects medicine" ;-)
origin of filibuster:
Late 18th century: from French flibustier, first applied to pirates who pillaged the Spanish colonies in the West Indies. In the mid 19th century (via Spanish filibustero), the term denoted American adventurers who incited revolution in several Latin American states, whence sense 2 of the noun. The verb was used to describe tactics intended to sabotage US congressional proceedings, whence sense 1 of the noun.
OK, so it's a pirate, a freebooter, and a liberal on top of it. How do you fit it in the mental health context? They are psychotic at all times, reject medication and do what they want to do. Kind of Jack Nicholson-ish character. I think all these definitions are pretty bizarre, and I am not sure English equivalents exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster Check out the first paragraph, it gives a good translation of the word "vrijbuiter". For vrijzinnig, I would either go with 'libera' or 'free-thinking'. Hope this helps.
philgoddard United States Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 28
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Thanks everybody for all the input! I like this, and I agree with you on the unnecessary tautology, but, yes, this is the way it was meant to be. Thanks again!
Michael Beijer United Kingdom Local time: 16:13 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 60
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