lowered intolerance threshold

English translation: increased intolerance

14:38 Oct 15, 2017
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Social Sciences - Psychology
English term or phrase: lowered intolerance threshold
'Certain sounds can be piercing, and others can be just a little repulsive. Often, with individuals on the autism spectrum, the threshold for people’s intolerance to certain sounds is lowered. The aversion can be to do with volume, but sometimes sounds with certain ‘aural textures’ can cause repulsion.' (Luke Jackson 'Sex, drugs and Asperger's syndrome')

I have already asked this question here https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/lowered-intolerance-...
but I'm still not sure if I understand it correctly. To me this text simply says that some people on the autism spectrum are less tolerant to certain sounds.
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Selected answer:increased intolerance
Explanation:
Logically, intolerance is the opposite of tolerance.

If I have a high tolerance of sounds, it means it takes a lot to disturb me, if my tolerance is increased, it takes even more to disturb me, and if my tolerance is decreased, it takes less to disturb me.

So conversely, if my intolerance is increased, it takes LESS to disturb me, and if my intolerance is reduced, it takes MORE to disturb me.

However, the phrase here is "threshold for people's intolerance", i.e. the point at which something becomes intolerable. The implication is that if this is lowered, something becomes intolerable earlier/more quickly.
Similarly, if the threshold at which something becomes intolerable is highered, you can tolerate more.


Interestingly, with this threshold concept, it seems to me that it would mean the same if they had said "threshold for people's tolerance", because if raise the threshold of tolerance, people can tolerate more.

I think the key is that the threshold AFTER which something becomes intolerable, is exactly the same as the threshold BEFORE which something is tolerable!

I think it boils down to a usage thing, possibly in this field it is simply more common to say "threshold for intolerance", although you just as well say "threshold for intolerance".
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3 +4increased intolerance
Mark Nathan
5hearing threshold, intolerance threshold, and pain threshold
Abel Morales Estrada
3lower something
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increased intolerance


Explanation:
Logically, intolerance is the opposite of tolerance.

If I have a high tolerance of sounds, it means it takes a lot to disturb me, if my tolerance is increased, it takes even more to disturb me, and if my tolerance is decreased, it takes less to disturb me.

So conversely, if my intolerance is increased, it takes LESS to disturb me, and if my intolerance is reduced, it takes MORE to disturb me.

However, the phrase here is "threshold for people's intolerance", i.e. the point at which something becomes intolerable. The implication is that if this is lowered, something becomes intolerable earlier/more quickly.
Similarly, if the threshold at which something becomes intolerable is highered, you can tolerate more.


Interestingly, with this threshold concept, it seems to me that it would mean the same if they had said "threshold for people's tolerance", because if raise the threshold of tolerance, people can tolerate more.

I think the key is that the threshold AFTER which something becomes intolerable, is exactly the same as the threshold BEFORE which something is tolerable!

I think it boils down to a usage thing, possibly in this field it is simply more common to say "threshold for intolerance", although you just as well say "threshold for intolerance".

Mark Nathan
France
Local time: 14:51
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: The sentence is awkwardly written - he also says "individuals" and "people". He could just have said "some people are less tolerant".
25 mins
  -> yes I got a bit carried away

agree  Tina Vonhof (X): Agree with Phil that the wording is awkward. 'Threshold for tolerance' would have been better.
1 hr
  -> thanks

agree  acetran
2 days 1 hr

agree  Ashutosh Mitra
2 days 10 hrs
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
hearing threshold, intolerance threshold, and pain threshold


Explanation:
Consider that there are two main limits as to hearing. The first one is the boundary between total silence and the first humming sound and it is known as hearing threshold. The hearing threshold starts at 0.0 dB. The second one is the highest top sound called pain threshold at 140 dB. In between, we can identify the intolerance threshold, which is the limits between the bearable and non-bearable sounds and it indicates the point in which intolerance to sounds starts. So, the lower the intolerance threshold is, the closer to the hearing threshold.
There’s a good graphic at https://www.hearinglink.org/your-hearing/about-deafness-hear... wich can be useful for a better understanding. Hope it helps.

My regards,

Amebosert.



    https://www.hearinglink.org/your-hearing/about-deafness-hearing-loss/noise-sensitivity/
Abel Morales Estrada
Mexico
Native speaker of: Spanish
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lower something


Explanation:
Basic meaning: Often, for individuals on the autism spectrum, the level or amount of irritant needed before intolerance is reached is lower.

It is not inappropriate to talk in terms of intolerance when conveying the autistic experience.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2017-10-15 19:17:55 GMT)
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Edit: before intolerance is reached > before the irritation is intolerable

The meaning is not clear, but this is what I think he is trying to convey.

I don't think that "threshold" is a good choice here.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2017-10-16 07:39:13 GMT)
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I don't like my usage of "before."

Second attempt: (It is important to note that) many individuals on the autism spectrum are bothered by sounds at a level that would not bother an individual "off the spectrum." Objectively, the sounds are of the same intensity. To the autistic person, however, the sound is more intense.
For further reference:
http://www.myaspergers.net/what-is-aspergers/everyone-know-a...
https://www.autismspeaks.org/wordpress-tags/autism-and-intol...

Herbmione Granger
Germany
Local time: 14:51
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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