the “Indian” Tamil language of Sri Lanka

Tamil translation: இலங்கையின் இந்திய வம்சாவளித் தமிழர்கள்

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English term or phrase:the “Indian” Tamil language of Sri Lanka
Tamil translation:இலங்கையின் இந்திய வம்சாவளித் தமிழர்கள்
Entered by: SeiTT

07:00 Oct 31, 2017
English to Tamil translations [PRO]
Education / Pedagogy / Indian Languages
English term or phrase: the “Indian” Tamil language of Sri Lanka
Greetings

I've just realized I have no idea how you distinguish the two kinds of Tamil spoken in Sri Lanka: the Tamil of relatively recent immigrants brought into Sri Lanka by the British on the on hand, and the Tamil of speakers who have been there since Cholan times on the other. The actual picture seems somewhat more complex than I had realized if this map is accurate (is it?):
https://www.quora.com/What-if-India-had-tried-to-occupy-the-...

Best wishes, and many thanks,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:31
இலங்கையின் இந்திய வம்சாவளித் தமிழர்கள்
Explanation:
These Tamils live mainly in the hill country who were brought by the British as plantation workers. Ancient migrators cannot be identified because they have mixed with the local society.

These Tamils are also called மலையகத் தமிழர்கள்.

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Note added at 24 mins (2017-10-31 07:25:06 GMT)
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There are many differences between Sri Lankan and Indian Tamil dialects. These up country Tamils speak as Indian Tamils speak. In Sri Lanka, we can see various other dialects too. However, almost the entire Tamil speaking community follows written standardised terms when they write. For example, I'm from Southern Sri Lanka. We speak a very different dialect, which is found in few villages only. But I use standardised terms when writing.

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Note added at 10 hrs (2017-10-31 17:26:33 GMT)
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What I have given is not a translation of the given phrase but it is an explanation of whom use it. We never call it an Indian Tamil language in Sri Lanka. Rather, we say it மலையகத் தமிழ் (up country Tamil). We cannot call it "Indian" Tamil language because it has some differences with present-day Indian Tamil dialects because it doesn't have much influences from north Indian languages or English. I have talked to many of them and I know many differences. So far, no significant research on their language exists, I think.

In Sri Lanka, we have யாழ்ப்பாணத் தமிழ், வன்னித் தமிழ், மட்டக்களப்புத் தமிழ், மலையகத் தமிழ், சோனகத் தமிழ், தென்னிலங்கைத் தமிழ், நாடோடித் தமிழ் (a mixture of Tamil and Telugu spoken by gypsies) and etc. Some form of Indian Tamil dialects are mostly used by Up Country Tamils and Colombo Chettys. Although Saliya caste of Sinhalese people are originally Tamils brought by some merchants, they have mixed with Sinhalese people. They do not speak Tamil anymore.

Apart from these, there are some other Tamil dialects, which have influences from Arabic, Memon, Malayalam and Malayan (or Javanese) languages. These are spoken by various communities.
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Mohammed Fahim
Sri Lanka
Grading comment
Many thanks, super!
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Summary of answers provided
5 -1Different between Indian and Srilankan Tamil
Ramesh Kulandaivel
5 -1இலங்கையின் இந்திய வம்சாவளித் தமிழர்கள்
Mohammed Fahim


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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
the “indian” tamil language of sri lanka
Different between Indian and Srilankan Tamil


Explanation:
There are a lot of difference between Indian Tamil and Srilankan Tamil. Srilankan Tamil considered being pure Tamil. Many terms are not different from the Indian Tamil languages. For example, going out "வெளியே போகிறீர்களா” this is Indian Tamil, ”வெளிக்கிட்டாச்சா”? Srilankan Tamil. We shall speak directly, Indian Tamil ("நாம் நேராக பேசலாம்”, In Srilankan Tamil ”நாம் நேராய் கதைக்கலாம்”. Fragrance "மணம்” in Indian Tamil, ”நாற்றம்” is Srilankan Tamil. Srilankan Tamil version is the purest form of term fragrance.


    https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D_%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B4%
    https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/10/15/%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0
Ramesh Kulandaivel
India
Local time: 14:01
Native speaker of: Native in TamilTamil

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sundar Gopalakrishnan: Sri Lankan Tamil cannot be considered Pure Tamil. It too has a lot of foreign loan words.
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
the “indian” tamil language of sri lanka
இலங்கையின் இந்திய வம்சாவளித் தமிழர்கள்


Explanation:
These Tamils live mainly in the hill country who were brought by the British as plantation workers. Ancient migrators cannot be identified because they have mixed with the local society.

These Tamils are also called மலையகத் தமிழர்கள்.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 24 mins (2017-10-31 07:25:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

There are many differences between Sri Lankan and Indian Tamil dialects. These up country Tamils speak as Indian Tamils speak. In Sri Lanka, we can see various other dialects too. However, almost the entire Tamil speaking community follows written standardised terms when they write. For example, I'm from Southern Sri Lanka. We speak a very different dialect, which is found in few villages only. But I use standardised terms when writing.

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Note added at 10 hrs (2017-10-31 17:26:33 GMT)
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What I have given is not a translation of the given phrase but it is an explanation of whom use it. We never call it an Indian Tamil language in Sri Lanka. Rather, we say it மலையகத் தமிழ் (up country Tamil). We cannot call it "Indian" Tamil language because it has some differences with present-day Indian Tamil dialects because it doesn't have much influences from north Indian languages or English. I have talked to many of them and I know many differences. So far, no significant research on their language exists, I think.

In Sri Lanka, we have யாழ்ப்பாணத் தமிழ், வன்னித் தமிழ், மட்டக்களப்புத் தமிழ், மலையகத் தமிழ், சோனகத் தமிழ், தென்னிலங்கைத் தமிழ், நாடோடித் தமிழ் (a mixture of Tamil and Telugu spoken by gypsies) and etc. Some form of Indian Tamil dialects are mostly used by Up Country Tamils and Colombo Chettys. Although Saliya caste of Sinhalese people are originally Tamils brought by some merchants, they have mixed with Sinhalese people. They do not speak Tamil anymore.

Apart from these, there are some other Tamil dialects, which have influences from Arabic, Memon, Malayalam and Malayan (or Javanese) languages. These are spoken by various communities.

Mohammed Fahim
Sri Lanka
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Native speaker of: Native in TamilTamil, Native in Sinhala (Sinhalese)Sinhala (Sinhalese)
PRO pts in category: 48
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Many thanks, super!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sundar Gopalakrishnan: The translation of the phrase is wrong. Please change it.
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